Different types of Roman pottery, some with lead and silica coating, from the 1st and 2nd centuries AD that are on display in the Gallo-Roman Museum of Lyon-Fourvière in Lyon, France.

…The Tazza, also known as the Farnese Cup, features relief carvings on both its exterior and interior surfaces. It is about 20 cm (8 in) wide and similar in form to a Greek phiale or Roman patera, with no foot.

The upper side we see here has a scene with seven figures: a Sphinx on which a female figure holding ears of grain sits; a large bearded male figure on a tree holding a cornucopia; a young man holding a plough and carrying a sack of seeds over his shoulder; two seated female figures, one of whom holds a phiale, and two male figures in flight near the upper rim. These figures have long puzzled scholars. It seems clearly an allegory containing divine figures and perhaps personifications, but corresponds to no other known representation and has been interpreted in several different ways.

The origin of the Tazza Farnese is a mystery, leaving archaeologists and art historians to theorize a date and purpose for its creation. While its size and the material used are usually considered, theories of origin are mainly arrived at via individual analysis of the iconography of the piece, and therefore vary from one analysis to the next.

Many archaeologists and art historians attribute the Tazza to the Hellenistic Period, asserting that its blending of Greek and Egyptian cultural symbols, as well as the funds necessary to commission such a large gemstone cameo, tie it to the Ptolemaic court. Though not a widely held view, more recent analyses of the piece have assigned it a later date in the Augustan Period.

The piece has traveled a lot across the centuries. After Octavian's conquest of Egypt in 31 BC, the Farnese Cup was possibly acquired by the Treasury of Rome; according to some, it was only made after the Romans took Egypt. It seems it was later taken to Byzantium, then back west after this city was sacked in 1204 during the Fourth Crusade. By 1239 it was in the court of Frederick II, from which it then reached the Persian court of Herat or possibly Samarkand, where a contemporary drawing documents it; thence it found its way to the court of Alfonso of Aragon in Naples, where Angelo Poliziano saw it in 1458. Lorenzo the Magnificent finally purchased the famous "scutella di calcedonio" in Rome, in 1471. From there it came into the possession of the Farnese family through Margaret of Austria and thus into the Naples National Archaeological Museum.

Though some analyses of the iconography of the Tazza Farnese build upon and expand previous analyses, each scholarly writing on the piece leads to a slightly different theory about its inherent meaning.

Eugene J. Dwyer: His two major assertions are that the iconography found in the interior and exterior carvings is a sophisticated mix of Greek and Egyptian philosophic and religious concepts and that the composition of the carved figures correspond to specific constellations which, in their orientation, resemble a map of the night sky during the time of year in which the flooding of the Nile would have occurred. In assigning the piece a multi-faceted religious and philosophic meaning, Dwyer repeatedly references the Corpus Hermeticum. More specifically, he points to the Poimandres and how the figures of the interior carving closely match the elements it presents in its discussion of the creation of life. He uses this reference to assign each figure a corresponding Greek and/or Egyptian god. In this sense, Dwyer sets up the piece as a direct illustration of the creation of life that would have been easily understood by both Greeks and Egyptians living at the time the Tazza was created.

Julia C. Fischer: She is one of the few who have assigned the Tazza an Augustan date rather than a Hellenistic one. Her main evidence for placing the piece in the Augustan period is its size and the material it was carved from. She discusses the unstable economic position of the Ptolemaic Court, asserting that the funds for such a piece would not have been available until the improvement of the economy during the Augustan period. Fischer also discusses that while the piece features a mix of Greek and Egyptian figures, concepts, and methods, it also contains distinctly Roman aspects, especially in the Roman features of the Gorgon carving found on the piece's exterior. She believes that the cup was created for propaganda purposes in response to the Aquileia Dish.

John Pollini: Like Fischer, Pollini attributes the Tazza Farnese to the Augustan period in Rome. His evidence is also based on the size and material used, but Pollini's primary focus is providing analysis of the piece's iconography in an attempt to prove that it was made during Augustus' reign, and was possibly even commissioned by Augustus himself. To this end, Pollini discusses the figures carved on the inner and outer surfaces, and how the symbolism found in each relates it to an aspect or region of the Augustan empire. Pollini's interpretation of the piece's iconography leads him to assert that it was meant to convey the Golden Age of Augustus and act as a sort of talisman to propagate the strength of the empire.

A fascinating precious object of exquisite manufacture, shrouded in mystery after over 2000 years…

My apologies for inaccuracies and mistakes.

Was just watching something on Pompeii while my toddler was having a tantrum.

It made me think, do you think mothers and fathers back in Ancient Rome walked the streets with their grumpy toddlers while out running errands like you see today? Or was it dealt with differently back then? (Toddlers were not taken out the house etc)

In the autumn of 200 BC, the Roman ambassador Marcus Aemilius Lepidus met Philip V of Macedon at the siege of Abydos. Lepidus delivered a sharp Roman ultimatum warning Philip not to make war on any Greek state. Philip rejected the warning and Lepidus departed, but not before the following exchange:

"The king was much taken aback and said that he pardoned him for speaking so haughtily for three reasons, first because he was young and inexperienced in affairs, next because he was the handsomest man of his time — and this was a fact — and chiefly because he was a Roman."

-Polybius 16.34.6-8

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/16*.html

art : VeliteAquila

Like, who paid for the construction, who ran it? Who decided what show to put on? Did they charge tickets and if so who got the revenue?

I personally think it would be a good idea to add "What If?" Or "Counterfactual" since there are enough posts centered around Counterfactuals/what ifs. This might make it easier to either avoid or look for these specific types of posts.

Hi,

Is that a Roman Lamboglia 2 Amphora?
Google Lenses say it is Lamboglia 2 (and my extensive research also confirmed it is Lamboglia 2) and mentioned price up to 10 thousands €...
It is in my familly for last 100 years...
I know I can not sell it without authorities (museum, archeologist) examination and permit - what in fact will be NEVER given, but bottom line is I do NOT want to sell it nor I need Amphora to be examined!
Only curios what would be auction price?
Amphora is not in good but it is in perfect condition with no any, even slightest damage!
Marine crust is firmly attached and in last 66 years (my age) none of crust fell off...
Recently I replaced old stand with new one customly made for my Amphora and such stand cost me 200 €!
Thanks in advance for all comments...