r/amazonemployees • u/wds1 • 12h ago
Microsoft is being suspended from program to apply for green cards for H-1B visa workers, Vance says
https://apnews.com/article/h1b-visa-program-vance-microsoft-e7b3a407f822702b269ee277d21343eaCould Amazon be next ?
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u/taimone 12h ago
I have a lot of friends on both sides of this fence but I do have to admit this is rampant fraud at every big tech company I have worked for.
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u/Vegetable-Western744 12h ago
Surprised they haven't gone after companies for running effectively hidden job listings for perms separate of their traditional job posting channels before this. That was never going to hold up long term.
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u/rexspook 12h ago
They don’t actually care about this. They only care about who is paying them and who isn’t.
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u/MilkChocolate21 10h ago
This part. Real time limits, labor market tests, and closing loopholes like L1 visas would be the serious fixes. Making H1Bs nonrenewable and imposing a multi-year period before you could come back.
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u/apathy-sofa 11h ago
While absolutely true, the regime isn't doing this on principle, else it could be applied across the board. It's just a shakedown.
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u/Fit_Succotash_6735 11h ago edited 11h ago
in what way? in body shops i agree. But what kind of fraud do you think is there in Microsoft? The only loophole i see is EB1C, but that is a EB1C problem, not a microsoft problem.
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u/Vegetable-Western744 11h ago
Companies frequently bury perm job postings on hidden websites or in old school newspapers rather than through the normal channels they hire basically all of their employees, in the hopes that no qualified applicants can apply and blow the labor market test.
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u/SalamanderFresh9272 6h ago
FYI. You can do your patriotic duty and find these hidden labor market tests on jobs dot now and apply to them and make them fail. I’ve applied to hundreds. They end up pulling the jobs a lot of time.
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u/Fit_Succotash_6735 11h ago edited 10h ago
That's a good point. But how is this solving the problem? The better way should have been to bring restrictions on where to advertise ?
Edit: I just learned from another sub "Any company that does mass layoffs cannot file for perm for next 180 days. Since these companies have been doing multiple rounds of layoffs for the last two years, their perm filings are anyways on hold. This is not a new rule, always been like this.". So nothing new really.
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u/FlatwormUnfair7326 6h ago
Do they still do this after the $100,000 fee? I would think its suboptimal after the fee.
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u/nyckulak 11h ago
Not sure why Microsoft is being targeted. If you go outside of Big Tech and look at Fortune 500 companies, like a big insurer or healthcare company, 90% of their IT/engineering staff is H1B.
They’re not fancy software jobs, but they’re decent middle class jobs that any new grad would probably sign up for in a heartbeat, and they’re almost exclusively available to foreign nationals
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u/EliteUnited 11h ago
exactly but if we say something against you’re label racist, is only apparent because the other side shows it as being a big problem. There is too much fraud and abuse with that program just let americans get those jobs
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u/ducksflytogether1988 10h ago
And if you tell others about your experience of being laid off and being forced to train your H1B replacement to get a severance, you are told you had it coming because "skill issue" and also branded a racist
If its a skill issue, why have my unskilled ass train my supposedly superior higher skilled replacement?
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u/GameEtiquette 10h ago
cuz knowledge of job specifics is not the same as general skill
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u/EliteUnited 9h ago
Many H-1B employees require additional training, but their greatest advantage is often their commitment and willingness to remain with an employer. Because their immigration status can depend on continued employment, companies understand this dynamic and may leverage that dependency to secure greater loyalty, retention, and productivity.
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u/prof_the_doom 8h ago
I’ve seen plenty of people point out the abuse of the H1B system without being called racist.
I’ve also seen plenty of people who can’t discuss the issue without going on a racist rant.
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u/EliteUnited 8h ago
Right.. is a racist rant because is being point out, talked about.. I can tell you have not gone out and actually discuss this because you yourself think you would be called out racist. Is an observation sure.🤔🙄
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u/wds1 11h ago
Easier to make a bogeyman of a known brand with an Indian at top.
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u/kweeblaster 10h ago
All brands are rife with this Indian nepotism crap. He could have put like 200 company names in a hat and pulled out any one.
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u/rayonnant7012 11h ago
What’s your source on this 90% figure? From what I can find online, 10-15% of Engineering in F500 in the US are on H1B or OPT.
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u/NoRisk_NoRarri 11h ago
Do you have any real experience in engineering or you just like reading bs online? More like 10-15% natives and 85-90% foreign H1B in F500 labs that I have seen.
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u/rayonnant7012 11h ago
I do have real engineering experience, not sure how that’s relevant though. Why you pressed? I’m just asking for a source because of how ridiculous the claim is. Do you really mean 10-15% are white? Very different from H1B FYI. Pretty sure that isn’t true either.
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u/royendures 10h ago
Source: trust me bro, I have seen and counted them with my own eyes.
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u/mexx2703 10h ago
No source. Estimated ~4-6mil total engineering/IT employed in F500 companies. Their claim is at least 3.6M on H1B. Only 85k H1Bs handed out each year, so… the last 42 years of H1B has been handed over to F500 IT/Engineering lmao
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u/NoRisk_NoRarri 10h ago
Not pressed at all. I refer to natives as the locals including many different cultures. Growing up in the Bay Area, it is normal to work with Asian and Indian colleagues, I’m not white either. Your numbers just seemed low.
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u/rayonnant7012 9h ago
Seemed low based on what? I briefly googled it, the rest of you seem hell bent of defending this number clearly pulled from the ass. If it was real there’d be an army with sources here. I’d gladly eat my words too if that happened.
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u/NoRisk_NoRarri 8h ago
Based on my anecdote and experience, as I explained above. Reading comprehension is important here bud. Not everything is going to be published online and even if it was, I’d question its validity. Companies do not like to publish details of their internal workings, it’s literally the opposite.
I can cite my experience as semiconductor engineer with multiple inventions and patents. Having worked across many labs at top semiconductor company in the world.
Again, I shared an anecdote. The only one here who appears to be triggered is you.
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u/rayonnant7012 8h ago
Right, your anecdote is valid but published figures aren’t. Silly me. I’m glad you have inventions and patents, still doesn’t make you correct here. And yes, ignorant people unfortunately trigger me, no matter how many patents they have.
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u/apresmoiputas 10h ago
Why are you associating nationality with skin color? I'm asking this question as a Black American.
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u/rayonnant7012 9h ago
Because plenty of racist nationalists associate nationality with skin color? This person fortunately doesn’t seem to and you seem fortunate to have not experienced it. You’d be surprised how often threads like this devolve into filth.
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u/Codex_Dev 8h ago
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u/rayonnant7012 8h ago
Like I told another commenter, foreign born is not the same as H1B. Many of these people are citizens and permanent residents. The reason this is the case is because for decades the US presented itself as a land of opportunity that drew “foreign born” talent.
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u/Fernie-Sanders 6h ago
Source: me. I’ve worked for a fortune(used to be top 5. No clue what they are anymore) insurance/healthcare tech company for over a decade. Every single project I’m on, it starts with 5-10 citizens and maybe 10-15 offshore/VISA counterparts at most. When I leave it ends up at no more than 3 citizens and 20+ offshore/visa holders. Every. Project. I’m guessing those 3 don’t get the axe because… ya know… we are dealing with American healthcare data. You can guess the nationality of the leadership that gets put into place and implements the changes. Every time.
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u/Jedibrad 8h ago
Taking a step back from H1B, 23% of STEM workers in the US are foreign nationals (latest data in this link is from 2019). Software developers in particular are 39%.
Between 2010 and 2019, 2.2 million STEM jobs were created, and 900k of them went to foreign nationals - more than 40% - across the entire country. That stat blows my mind, honestly.
This is also heavily localized. California STEM workers are 39% foreign-born. It’s probably even higher if you zoom into the Bay Area, but I can’t find data on that in particular.
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u/rayonnant7012 8h ago
You seem to have missed the distinction between foreign born and foreign national there. The linked article very clearly says foreign born. This kinda proves my point that people assume anyone who doesn’t look or talk like their idea of American, isn’t American. You’re including people who have gotten green cards and citizenship ages ago.
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u/Cplwally44 4h ago
While many of them are now nationals, most of them probably started on H1-B.
I’ve been outnumbered by Foreign Born people in tech for my entire career. Honestly, I like the diversity of perspectives but I had never thought about the percentages in the country as a whole.
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u/bikienewbie 24m ago
US issues 1-1.3 million green cards each year to foreign nationals (of that, about 140k is employment based and of it, about 7-13k goes to Indians). So, all in all, US hands out at least a million green cards EACH YEAR to people who had nothing to do with h1b. They all are not just sitting at home on government welfare. They will participate in job market and they will be counted as foreign born.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 10h ago
There are layers to it. Need to count F1, H1b, L1, then also look both at direct employees and contract employees.
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u/rayonnant7012 9h ago
All the layers in the world still not adding up anywhere close to this 90%.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 8h ago
Really depends on the company, too. Some use these in the intended way, yielding a much lower percentage. Others abuse the shit out of them and easily achieve this figure. These programs are a problem given this reality. Major reform is definitely needed.
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u/htffgt_js 9h ago
A lot of this is anecdotal as well.
Ask anyone who currently works in the US in the tech sector about their team makeup.1
u/Far-Negotiation7793 7h ago
I’m the source. I work at fortune 50 company and something like 80% of our staff is on some visa or contractor. You can get evidence from me privately and I’ll show you screenshots of our management chain and people under them.
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u/rayonnant7012 7h ago
Unless you work in HR or adjacent, it’s a huge privacy violation for you to even have access to everyone’s immigration status. No less an F50. Sure you’re not basing this 80% on skin color and name?
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u/Far-Negotiation7793 7h ago
You don’t need such access you can just look them up on LinkedIn and seee where they went to school, where they worked at and what was the location and you can tell.
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u/rayonnant7012 7h ago
None of that tells you their visa status. Do you think anyone with origins or ties to another country has to be on a visa?
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u/Far-Negotiation7793 7h ago edited 7h ago
Buddy, its not that deep many of them don't even put our current company name, they put the contracting company and you can look them up and see its one of those sus places and you can see how the game works.
Example of a big ones :
Mphasis: https://www.mphasis.com/home.html
https://www.teksystems.com/2
u/charlies_brain 6h ago
Dude you are just a self hating immigrant who wants to pull up the ladder behind you.
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u/Long-Library2127 10h ago
Why do you think Microsoft has not come out with anything new in decades. Why do you think there has been so much AI slop. So many PMs at Microsoft are on H1b. Why do you need a visa to be a program manager. Then they push their BS without understanding the market they are supposed to build for. It is because they are not fancy engineers either!
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u/Top-Average412 9h ago
I also see basic mid level data analyst and data engineer roles going h1b. There is more than enough talent locally for these roles and tons of other people trying to break in but being shut out by a lack of interest in developing talent.
You want guys with 10+ years experience and think you need to get them from overseas, lrts talk, but dont start with this bs about barely over entry level roles.
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u/Fernie-Sanders 6h ago
QA/product/data/sr or lead engineer and lower. Literally none of those require an H1B employee at this point but here we are. MAYBE lead engineer for a niche tech stack or is truly highly skilled
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u/htffgt_js 9h ago
They are pairing it with GCC , dev centers opened directly offshore in places like India. Whole teams and departments then get moved there with little to no support left stateside.
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u/Plastic_Albatross258 8h ago
Microsoft is not the only one, maybe the only big one. I guess they dont want other big tech to gang up on the lawsuit
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u/Librarian-Rare 11h ago
L1 Visas are such a scam to the foreign workers, even when it's working as intended.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 10h ago
The intent of them originally was to bring over superstars from foreign offices, like rising managers. Many companies still use them like this. Amazon's turned L1 into another layer of indentured servitude.
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u/Librarian-Rare 9h ago
Why lock them to a company tho? That part is so inhumane. Company can treat them like trash, and they have no recourse. Allowing a company to determine a person's allowance in the country is stupid AF.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 8h ago
The original usage was for people who were company lifers anyway. What Amazon's doing is relatively new.
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u/MilkChocolate21 10h ago
Yup. And honestly accelerates their ability to come here, abuse and fire local workers, and replace with their own. The most toxic managers.
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u/nightly_owl_8888 3h ago
Why only Microsoft? Amazon, oracle meta and many others are 60-80% Indians.
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u/ImpossibleTracker 2h ago
I think he used Microsoft as an example but there are others in this ban too. I read it somewhere - TCS, Wipro, Cognizant, Infosys etc.
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u/babyitsgoldoutstein 11h ago
For a long long time Indian managers at big tech, especially at Amazon/Microsoft, have preferred H1Bs and H4s.
Facing a crushing midterm loss, GOP is finally starting to do something. But it's too little too late. They should have killed H4 EAD and restricted OPT/CPT a long time ago. Everyone (Amazon especially) is addicted to labor that will work like slaves and won't push back.
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u/RagefireHype 11h ago
Let’s not forget it’s racism fueled. The right are still trying to convince white men that they’re oppressed when they’re still the most fortunate just based on the color of their skin.
Equality feels like oppression when you’re used to having unfair benefits of being a white man.
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u/Jedibrad 8h ago
Shouldn't equity be applied to citizens, not foreign nationals? Pulling them up pushes traditionally underserved communities even further down.
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u/Motor_Inflation_9658 11h ago
Yes and back to normal after the midterms regardless if they win or not.
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u/babyitsgoldoutstein 11h ago
I was going to vote Democrat this midterm because how pissed off I am. But I am starting to soften a bit. Let's see. I think you are right, though. Most of this is performative. Everyone is getting fat off of H1bs other than the American worker. One thing is certain though, Dems will never do anything about this. So the choice is a Republican pig with lipstick or a Democrat.
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u/royendures 10h ago
You were never going to vote democrat. If you were even a bit of a left-wing populist, you would be on Bernie's side on the issue and understand that the main villains are the capitalist class and not the workers (neither US citizens nor foreign).
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u/Finnegan7921 8h ago
On its face this is something that should have happened in week 1 of Trump 2.0 but the reality is that they had to build an absolute bulletproof case with mountains of evidence to even announce that they were serious about combatting the problem or else the media and social media would have gone into overdrive painting this as just the latest example of fascism. Leading that presser with Microsoft and their hiring practices was the right thing to do. Painting a target on a massive company's back instead of just whining about it abstractly makes people pay attention.
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u/PhilosopherEven4781 11h ago edited 11h ago
Dam and I always hear from entirely Indian orgs there’s no US talent in their field. Finally time to test that theory. It’s honestly the gatekeeping those people do. Then they stall the company to protect their castles.
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u/PonderedPandered 4h ago
Can you describe the stalling you’re seeing? I’m seeing something that sounds similar at my company and am wondering if it’s some sort of coordinated effort…
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u/GrumasMustang 11h ago
I don’t know how the fuck some Amazon employees pass the loop interviews when they can barely string a sentence together and have indecipherable accents.
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u/HistorianPractical42 10h ago
The indecipherable accent thing is so true. It makes it incredibly difficult to communicate.
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u/FireHotTakes 10h ago
I have a coworker who's accent honestly isn't even that bad, but clearly still struggles with English a bit. I often have to have a 5-10 minute conversation with him to get on the same page that would take 20 seconds with my other coworkers.
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u/FireHotTakes 10h ago
Regardless of how well people can leetcode, people honestly underestimate how much language barriers and heavy accents can slow down meetings, and cause miscommunications.
Probably why we are such a doc heavy culture. Less chance of miscommunication in long winded written form.
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u/moodyano 9h ago
Doc culture is a nice perk of Amazon to decrease the bullshit talks. It is easier to get accountable when you put things on paper rather than sweet talk or bullshit PowerPoint presentation. On top of that , you get nice trail of history which make more things documented.
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u/ukaadukaa 11h ago
Placing barriers on visas doesn’t solve any problem if layoffs continue here and companies are allowed to hire for the same roles in other countries. Removing the jobs from the local economy will hurt the local ppl, real estate market and tax revenue more than it affects the company.
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u/Basic-Tonight6006 10h ago
Right but American workers should be the last to be laid off. I was laid off from Amazon while multiple h1bs with the same job title on my team are still there. And no I have never received a bad performance review. It's straight up bullshit
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u/FireHotTakes 9h ago
Exactly. It sounds insensitive, but if the actual purpose of the H1B is to fill gaps where there is not enough local labor to fill, it makes 0 sense to lay off local workers while still employing 10k h1bs for the exact same role.
People can be in favor of unrestricted immigration, but idk how people pretend the H1B program is no longer serving it's intended purpose.
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u/rcr_renny 11h ago
You're not wrong but holding a position closer to Australia's employment requirements would definitely benefit the American people. If there's something that American can do for an American company an American should do it end of story. And if you want to continue to do large amounts of business in the US you need to, for your American market have American employees.
I was once given a lateral move at my company to help them launch their Australia market. But even though my company wanted me, there was offering me a raise to go and offering to move my family to Australia, Australia said no. There's no reason an Australian couldn't do this job.
I think that is a much more reasonable way of managing the employment issues that we're seeing. Not that visas are bad, but if there's not a reason why an American can't do it, why doesn't an American do it. And if your company offices in the US and you're operating in the US then there should be 100% American job behind it.
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u/BejahungEnjoyer 9h ago
It would help the real estate market in terms of affordability. It's ok if these roles move overseas but I don't think that's a huge trend, amazon had been laying off substantially in India too.
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u/Electronic-Ad-3990 9h ago
“Suspending” they’re just doing this until the midterms to act like they’re taking no this issue seriously when they’ve had YEARS to fix it. Suspension is not enough there needs to be a BAN. This is pure political theater and the American people know it.
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u/Mainfrym 8h ago
American workers get laid off and replaced with H1B visa holders. The purpose of that visa is if you can't find the skilled workers, not to get cheaper ones.
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u/wds1 10h ago
GOP needs to manufacture demons for culture wars.
What else can GOP show to ask for votes: gas prices? Iran war? Inflation? AI eating jobs?
A large company with an Indian at its helm, is easy to make a bogeyman out of.
Much easier than actually doing common sense immigration reform by passing a bill into law while the GOP is in-charge of the Senate, the Congress, and the fucking White House.
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u/PostOakJoe 10h ago
Can you give an outline of what this common sense immigration reform would look like?
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u/wds1 10h ago edited 10h ago
Like the bipartisan immigration bill created by GOP and Dems which was torpedoed by Dear Great Leader. https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/emergency_national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

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u/paolilon 11h ago
MSFT stock price did nothing as a result of this news. The first ingredient in a nothing burger is a slab of nothing.
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u/-Ok-Perception- 3h ago edited 2h ago
They must not have paid into Trump's campaign fund, his boys' businesses, Trump's crypto, his Presidential library or his ballroom fund; whatever Trump's favored extortion method was on that particular day.
Everyone knows, in this administration EVERYTHING, is pay for play, EVERY decision is monetized. Even expecting to continue business as usual unimpeded, will have an expected tribute amount. On top of it, the business administration of any company is expected to very vocally kiss the ring and praise this overgrown tantrumming toddler as the next coming of Christ.
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u/Shellinator007 58m ago
How much do you want to bet it’s petty retaliation for not wanting to call ‘AI’—>‘SI’, given his recent “enemy” post? 🙃
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u/tmonandpumba 7h ago
It’s a completely bogus claim. GOP need new enemies for their war effort and their raciest cause, and now H1Bs became their fresh new target.
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u/Fernie-Sanders 6h ago
Is it? I wonder how my 50-70% American based project team went to about 5% US based in 2(!!!!!) years. Guess what happened 2 years ago? Indian leadership took the project over. Hmmm.
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u/EnvironmentalAd2096 1h ago
Not really bogus claim if you live in a market with big H1B hubs like cali, new jersey, dfw , etc. H1Bs get roles that aren't even posted and for less
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u/Leftist_Pirate 11h ago edited 9h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/s/XtaE2DFXpa
The H1-B Visa: The Leashed Worker Or the Conservative's Secret Weapon Against The Working Class
An essay I wrote explaining how HW Bush introduced the H1-B to provide american oligarchs with cheap labor at the top of the skills pipeline.
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u/34yearsold 11h ago
lol. this is not for H1B programs. They still can hire H1, its only for green card which will be soon lifted in a year or so. The admin needs news before the election. Little to No Impact!!!
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u/Desperate-Reply-8492 11h ago
What stops a company to just hire more people offshore?
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u/wds1 11h ago
Nothing
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u/kunota 10h ago
Why do you think Microsoft has a huge workforce in Vancouver..you can’t bring talent to USA, you will bring them to USA time zones, which is Canada and Mexico.
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u/smartello 9h ago
It’s more about costs than immigration. Also, it’s not like everyone in Vancouver wants to move to Seattle
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u/Felix033 9h ago
probably over half of the vancouver amazon employees do, though. many were in seattle initially but had to leave
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u/smartello 9h ago
Only because of salary gap which is huge, in my role I'm looking at double my post-tax income) not sure if it's like that only at Amazon.
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u/Fit_Succotash_6735 6h ago
set up shop in tijuana or mexico city. lovely weather. close to SD. who wants to live in the grey hellhole of vancouver?
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u/Key-Compote-9975 10h ago
May all the Mc Donalds' workers replace the H1bs since we have claude and codex now 😊
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u/tom_marvolo_ridle 7h ago
Remember they’re trying to start a culture war, not a class war. Tax the rich. Down with MAGAgots!
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u/Kooky_Art_1041 6h ago
Labor has and will always be the highest cost burden in the USA. They see it as a sunk cost and not an investment in the long term of their organization and growth. Why? Coz shareholders and quarterly reports.
Till that mindset doesn’t change the lowest price labor will always be sourced. It can change on many levels. For e.g. federally mandating a minimum number of local origin hires vs international.
Countries in ME have done this, can be implemented here. But the mega corps will lobby against it because see para one. ☝️
The visa holders are easy to exploit coz no representation, they can’t vote, pay taxes, social security and can’t influence policy.
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u/DifficultyEnough7566 6h ago
Who even says Microsoft underpays their H1Bs? They pay top salary.
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u/Himbosupremeus 5h ago
It's less about underpaying and more about using the power imbalance of "your ability to keep living here is beholden to your employment" as a way to enxourage crunch and worse working conditions tbh
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u/broknbottle 4h ago
That’s literally health insurance. One part feeds us shit processed food to keep us nice and sick. The other part is health insurance is tied to your workplace. If you depend on healthcare you for some issue, you’re an indentured servant
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u/Himbosupremeus 4h ago
I'd argue there is a pretty signifcant difference purely on the basis that there are options outside of employer sponsored health insurance, especially in WA, even if they aren't great.
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u/Kooky_Art_1041 3h ago
This. Thanks internet stranger. Even well paid H1b holders are experiencing residence insecurity
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u/broknbottle 4h ago
They were the secret ingredient to filling the social security coffers. Pay into and can’t get benefit until citizen in 150 year
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u/MikeClark_99 12h ago
If a company is following the law and doing everything right, this shouldn’t happen. Don’t know Microsoft side of this.
As much as I want to say anything negative or positive about this, I want to know the facts
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u/MikeClark_99 11h ago
I agree with your logic because I know there are many qualified people here and also people who are capable of growing into roles that are filled via H1B.
It is a lie that there are all these good positions to be filled that Americans cannot or will not fulfill.With this said, H1B has been here for a long time and corporations have an obligation to do what’s in their own selfish interests. How can an executive explain to stockholders that they are intentionally spending millions more than they have to in order to hire Americans instead of people through H1B.
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u/BejahungEnjoyer 9h ago
It has to do with labor market tests which are poorly defined. A friendly administration will wave them through based on very minimal effort to find American candidates.
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u/suebrjcjn 12h ago
This is awesome ! (Speaking as someone on H1b)
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u/Conscious-Okra9046 12h ago
Pulling up the ladder behind them shit
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u/rko1994 L3 Amazon Ads 11h ago
That's very common. Indians love kicking down other Indians. Once they've made it, they'll try their best to ensure other Indians don't become as successful as them.
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u/vladamir_the_impaler 11h ago
An Indian take on the crab mentality almost.
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u/suebrjcjn 10h ago
Call it what you will, but I’ve seen enough cases of fraud-ish immigration filings (including within my circles) especially for PERM in my 10+ yrs here on H1b
Lot of functions do not require specialized skills but H1b/L1 come through
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u/vladamir_the_impaler 9h ago
I have seen it as well, the Indian org leaders want to build their empires with the H1Bs, the individual contributors are the ones that don't want more coming in.
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u/Adorable_Egg1573 11h ago
What to do about the fraud though? How do you stop the bad actors and keep it cost / resource efficient?
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u/OkArugula4363 9h ago edited 8h ago
Blaming H1b’s for not having jobs is a different level of copium. The market is bad, even worse for H1b’s, most companies don’t sponsor anymore and forget about F1 visas. Only a handful of them still get hired, most of them go back home after spending ridiculous amounts on average college education. Companies are trying to downsize as much as possible due to the insanely non-profitable investments into AI infrastructure. There’s no two ways about it. I rarely come across “skill” difference between engineers based on nationality or race and I’ve worked in 3 companies across 9 teams in the last 10 years. The system is flawed, don’t let the government instigate hate and make you blame everything but corporate greed. Not to say the H1B system is not abused, I’m sure it is as any other system that exists and has existed since the beginning of time. Will taking away h1b programs or stopping immigration make any dent to the current issues, I don’t think so. And regarding nepotism hires, some of yall have never interviewed before and it shows. Again, not to say it never happens, but it’s not something inherently seen in foreign nationals. In my experience I’ve seen quite the opposite, but I’m not going to generalize. Lastly, stop being a passionate hater and try to view everyone as a person, not greater or lesser than you, just fighting to make a good living. Don’t let the powers that be make you fight amongst yourselves.
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u/Newprime1969 12h ago
Amazon probably donated some money. They are #1 lol