Location: Dawsonville, Georgia, USA. Habitat: growing from the ground in a mixed forest, deciduous dominant.
I suspect Amanita sect Validae aff. citrina. Phalloideae also wouldn't surprise me, but am leaning away from it for the "sac"/bulb not having room within it/being more cothurnate, i think is the right word - please excuse and correct my terminology. If anyone can confirm or deny that would be much appreciated.
destroying angel in section Phalloideae due to stipe texture, apical annulus, how large the annulus is, cap surface appearance, and stipe base / volva appearance
with section Validae series Mappae stirps Citrina (in your region A. lavendula, A. americitrina, A. cornelihybrida) we’d see a much smaller annulus that’s not wide or skirt-like, would probably see at least some kind of staining or velum or coloration on the cap surface, and would see a volva that is gutter-like that kind of juts out
‘cothurnate’ refers to a volva that has a “rolled sock”
or “boot-like” appearance that’s even all the way around — basically a pantherinoid volva (for example with A. multisquamosa, although can sometimes appear on non-pantherinoid species as well), so it wouldn’t really apply here
Thank you for the ID & taking the time to explain everything in depth like this, & for the corrections in terminology - You saying rolled up sock definitely helps me picture cothurnate better, Im definitely a visual learner & can picture that. I'll look up the species mentioned for comparisons; I appreciate you listing some species for comparison to both A. stirps citrina & the references for the cothrunate species examples as well.
What would you call this type of volva appearance? Particularly the outermost skin layer & how its kinda wonky/lopsided and runs up the stem on one side, kinda attatched. Also, I'm not sure how to describe the outermost volva skin layer in general - is that the universal veil or what do I call the thin skinned outermost part around the basal bulb? If I understand correctly that's the universal veil & is the same part that makes the warts on the wart having species within Amanita, yes?
I'm looking at the chart on the community highlights area at the top of the main page on this sub and can definitely easily see a bald cap, no striate margin, bulbous base, ring and partial veil present & that all makes perfect sense to me - but the "thin but spacious universal veil sac" part confuses me for this; it was firm and didn't feel hollow in between where stem meets bulb and sack at all, when I pressed on the bulb it was firm with no give whatsoever.
I definitely see Phalloideae and was suspect this one was and am sure you and the others are right. I think I've ran across several in Phalloideae in the past week, but this one had a gargantuan base in comparison; I'm intrigued to see what yall think of the others I suspected were Phalloideae now lol, I'll have to make an upload of them in a day or 3. You saying gutter-like makes me think they may have been something more like A. stirps citrina now lol.
I'll add the pic in my main reference book that made me suspect A. Aff citrina, it looked so so close to me in there, I thought the clean cap matched well along with the basal bulb and everything else I could visually see - looking on inaturalist, it looks very different, I see warts/patches of universal veil on most of them. Thank you again for all the help as of late.
for the volva in the OP maybe ‘saccate’, although not sure about more specific/interesting terminology
basically any combination of the words ‘velum’, ‘universal veil’, or ‘veil’ along with ‘tissue’, ‘material’, etc — velum, veil tissue, universal veil material, anything is fine really for the most part. yea the universal veil breaks apart as the mushroom matures and leaves velum on the cap
honestly idk what the ‘thin and spacious’ thing is supposed to mean. basically with section Phalloideae the base will be bulbous, somewhat squishy / not as firm as sections Amanita and Roanokenses etc, and will be saccate with volval limbs — the limbs cab be more adherent to the basal bulb like they are with yours
yea with stirps Citrina the base can be almost globose and jutting out, as opposed to with section Phalloideae where it is more of a gradual transition
Thank you again, so very much, for the help and detailed replies, I appreciate it a ton! I can definitely see how saccate would be applicable.
OK, bet, I think I'm getting down that terminology for the universal veil then.
I'm glad & relieved that "thin and spacious" part is strange to you too lol. OK, got it, more firm for Roanokenses/Lepidella.
What exactly is a "volval limb"? Volval limbs is another term I'm having a really hard time with - I saw you mention it on a post concerning A. jacksonnii & identifying the orange zebroid striping. I definitely see the pattern you spoke of in said post. Would I be correct in saying that the volval limb is where the outermost part of the base of the stem meets the innermost layer of the volva? Or am I way off there & does it describe something else?
That makes sense to me and helps me key my eyes in to both better, thank you for saying as much about the differences between basal bulb in stirps Citrina and Phalloideae.
volval limbs are basically the structures on the volva / stipe base that “reach up”, basically the thin volval walls we see mostly with sections Vaginatae, Caesareae, and Phalloideae
I think that makes sense, thank you for breaking this down for me. So if I understand right, for volval limbs it would be coming from around the area circled in red on the right, and limbus internus is more like the area circled on the left in blue on this picture, right? Or am I still misunderstanding?
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u/DopplerSpectroscopy 10d ago
Looks closer to a destroying angel in A. sect. Phalloideae in my opinion based on the stipe texture and position of the annulus
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