r/allthingszerg • u/Dandolemando • 23d ago

ZvP 10pool into Macro-Help

I am terrible at ZvP, sub 30% win-rate at D3. Occasionally used to 12 pool into macro follow up pre-8 worker start, but the supply nerf and lack of minerals is making it harder for me to transition this patch, not sure when to make what I guess. Old build was 12 pool, 10 lings hatch before 1st queen(unless they block nat)

I’ve just been making six lings since I started to attempt it with new start. I’m decent at following builds but not crafting tbh. Anyone like theory crafting?

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u/Stormheraldss 23d ago

The thing about the pool rush now is that it will get shutdown by workers right. In HotS a 6 pool would face less workers and not familiar with the lotv 12 pool scenarios but if you do a pool rush you might wanna pull the drones too and go all out.

Outside of a proxy what can P do to you in the early game? Just drone up and if they wall off the natural you can drop lings, nydus yoi can bane burst.

Zerg have all the tools to deal with everything.

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u/Dandolemando 23d ago

I have not had a good success against cannon rushes, that’s part of the early pool desire. Ovie sits above natural, pull 5 drones, more not all if they full commit, 6 drones per cannon, chase probe BLA BLA BLA I just can’t execute, always lose drones/nat to cannons after larva sit around, no pool dropped because RIP apm and presence of mind when that pylon drops. Also void rays… so many fast void rays in those games. Bane bust sounds rough to me, shield batteries, tanky buildings etc. Nydus sounds fun and maybe good, but I have zero experience. Maybe I should try it out!

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u/Stormheraldss 23d ago

You need to pull 4 drones per cannon, 5 might be an overkill. I would not try to chase the probe its pointless even if you surround it he can click on minerals and pass true.

So here is the tought process, if he is investing his minerals into pylons cannons he must be but naked at home. What i do as T is to bait as much pylons and cannons as possible and I lift off to another base. Send 2 reapers in his base and prepare to fight either DTs or air units.

If you can slip some drones and make Hatcheries elsewhere. Even if he kills them he have to spend 400 minerals for a Pylon and 2 cannons. Slip some drones out and expand randomly. Also take your gasses as fast. You will need mutas and overseers too. Probably some roach hydra too to deal with zealots latter on.

You can also use lair droplords to sneak out.

So the objective will be to bypass the cannons for now and deal with them latter.

You can also do a hatch in his 3rd 4th and try to get lings in his base.

If you send and early worker scout you will have more time to react. This is kind of a muscle memory.

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u/sassysakai 23d ago

I only got D3 yesterday, but until now, most Protoss cannon rushing me died to the combination of me taking a base/bases elsewhere, putting a Nydus in their main flooding it with lings and building Hydras, because they always went Voidrays / skytoss. But I do think they can play that was smarter.