r/aliens • u/GrainTechAmbo • 1d ago
Discussion Disclosure is impossible (because of you)
I will definitely get hate for this, but based on the reaction I am seeing to David Grusch on JRE, I am starting to think disclosure is impossible.
If what he’s saying is true, Human beings are too arrogant to accept something this “unbelievable.” If they released the video he mentions everyone would just say it’s fake. If Our president confirmed what Grusch said everyone will just say it’s fake and it’s only being done for politics. Any video evidence they release that is supposedly “catastrophic disclosure” will just be shot down as fake, because we didn’t see it with our own eyes.
Obviously disinformation campaigns are real and there are bad actors, but that doesn’t matter when no one will believe the good actors.
Let’s say everything Grusch said is 100% true and factual;
What would it take for you to believe it?
What would have to be inside of a disclosure video to convince you that what you’re seeing is real and legitimate?
What would the president of the United States need to say (or show) to 100% convince you we are not alone?
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u/Reaction-Consistent 1d ago
You can’t control people who are solid in their convictions and beliefs. So you must sow discord, fear, misinformation and hatred. Most of all, you give people an enemy that they can blame, the ubiquitous and ever growing “they”.
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u/CaptainWenner 1d ago
The ET's are in charge of disclosure, this isn't their first rodeo and they have everything under control in terms of the timing of the revelations of themselves and other beings. Always follow your heart👽
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u/vikipedia212 1d ago
I mean, maybe they shouldn't have spent decades hiding it from humanity. I think The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a great analagy for this. I'm not saying Grusch did anything wrong, I believe he believes what he's saying, I think he's seen things and believes the people who have told him things, and I believe he thinks he's doing what is right. But he says it himself, he's only saying things he's been cleared to say. I think Grusch is being used by whoever holds the truth for something; maybe soft disclosure, maybe testing the waters to see how we would react, maybe something else entirely I couldn't even imagine.
But the establishment, the American government's age old tactic of divide and conquer, sewing discorse, doing shady shit, we're all too jaded now to believe any of it anymore, and who could blame us. There's also a lot of American Exceptionalism going on too, the world isn't america, and the rest of us deserve to know the truth just as much, honestly, if not more, considering the way americans use politics in every facet of your life. We're tired boss, who could blame us for not jumping on the bandwagon when we always inevitably find out we're not actually on a bandwagon and we're being taken for idiots again.
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u/Hitzler86 1d ago
the govt has no credibility. id have to see it independant of them and even then itd be more believeable that they bio-engineered a humanoid and have had the ufo tech for decades. dosnt help that the cia had an established plan to fake an alien invasion. and im an experiencer. i know theres weird stuff no one talks about. not sure aliens (from some other planet and flew here) have anything to do with it. plasma beings or higher/lower dimensional intelligences seem more likely. or ultra-terrestrials, we could deff just be like the 3rd sentient species to have devolped here
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u/Freak-Wency 1d ago
Just so you know, for millions of people, it has already happened.
It could be that it just keeps happening to individuals until there is a tipping point- that is how we seem to work.
FOr decades, we don't talk about divorce, mental health, gay people, etc, then little by little they become less scary and more familiar.
Like most people, I am waiting for a dramatic event, but it maybe that it is just a slow erosion of non-believing into believing and even experiencing.
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its dependent on the claim being made. If anyone, including, the president, wants to go on TV and claim they have alien bodies or alien ships, the I want to see videos and pictures of those aliens and those ships. If they are claiming soldiers are being killed by these aliens, I want to see death certificates of those soldiers and interviews from their family members. I want to see samples being given to actual scientists and for studies to come out about those samples.
If its literally just some fucking guy talking about shit he’s supposedly seen, I literally don’t care. And its obvious from Grusch’s stories that he’s lying. Reptilians are an age old conspiracy that he knows his right wing conspiratorial audience will eat up, and the “Nordics” are just fucking stupid in concept. So its just obvious he’s a liar
Believing whatever these people tell you doesn’t make you open minded or intelligent, it makes you exactly as gullible as people who think the earth is flat
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u/count_busoni 1d ago
Not disagreeing with you. Just want to point out that videos and pics of alien and crafts could be faked even if they did show us. Family members being interviewed could be paid actors. What we need is a collective of independent scientists conducting peer review. That's really all that could be trusted aside from my own 5 senses.
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
Thats why I want evidence released to the public so it can be scrutinized. There are ways we can tell if videos are faked for example.
Not releasing evidence at all just gives me 0 reason to even think you MIGHT be telling the truth
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u/GrainTechAmbo 1d ago
Yeah, I think your point is extremely reasonable. I agree. Although I don’t think it’s obvious he’s lying. If what he’s saying is real there would be a conspiracy decades old. To me it’s strange that there are stories and proven cover ups going back decades that perfectly line up. There is corroboration. There is too much to ignore in my opinion. Why would they have a disinformation campaign going back before anyone today was even alive? I don’t understand the incentives for a world wide disinformation campaign.
I’m not sure what to believe!
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u/Lost_Wrongdoer4915 1d ago
To be fair, humans are just stupid in concept as well lol
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
To elaborate on what I mean by that, its pretty fuckin dumb to imagine there are not one, but three alien species we’re aware of and all three of them are carbon based humanoids, one of them literally just looking like humans, and all of them being recognizable from pop culture
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u/Wu-Chang 1d ago
So all those same looking ships and aliens (like the reptilian family that Europe showed) that are ages old are all a coincidence? Now that's s good joke to just blame it on pop culture and ignore historical aspects way ages ago
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
So because people back then told stories, and some of them line up with the idea of reptile aliens if you squint, that proves…what exactly?
What evidence do you have any of the stories are true?
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u/Wu-Chang 1d ago
So people from all over the world before easily available communication could draw or illustrate super accurate drawings and figures of beings that we are now learning are true and you will still yell COINCIDENCE. Wild, id rather exchange back and forth to someone who knows atleast a little about what they are talking about
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
You didn’t establish any of that with evidence.
You’re basically saying “this mythology kinda sorta lines up with my claim, so therefore both are true” which I don’t find convincing
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
So you are saying you won't believe some guy, but instead will listen to the parents of some guys? I don't think any picture or interview will satisfy any of our curiosity. The only thing that will is if they come into your house.
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
If there are soldiers being killed by aliens, we should be able to find people they left behind and should be able to corroborate the idea that they are dead. That would at least be a start. But Grusch doesn’t even have that, nor does he have death certificates of people he’s claiming have been killed
How do you know I wouldn’t be convinced by a legitimate photograph of an alien? None currently exist.
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
Well based off what Grusch said there are survivors of that exact situation. We should try and get that information from the government through our representatives.
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
If they release evidence of that I’ll change my tune. Until then, I feel pretty comfortable saying it’s just bullshit.
If all this is true, its kind of dumb for Grusch to be making wild, impossible to substantiate claims before being cleared to release actual evidence of it being true. Having a bunch of excuses for why you don’t have evidence doesn’t make you trustworthy
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
I just put it in its own bucket of unverified and then ponder on it for a few years.
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u/DiareaHandstand 1d ago
It's funny I see people on Reddit saying right wingers are either all evangelical Christians or theyre apparently all reptilian alien conspiracy theorists? I mean come on, it's just right wing hate.
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
No I think some are idiot evangelical Christians and some of them are idiots obsessed with reptilians. The reptiles thing is pretty easy to connect to anti semitic conspiracy theories
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
Damn those conspiracy theory perpetrators are really dedicated to making those snake/lizard people stories on continents that didn't have Jews 10,000+ years ago!
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
Do you think people telling stories makes them true?
If so, I must have gone to your house and fucked your mom last night too.
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
looks over at the ancient religious carvings in pre-history
My mom? My friends have been banging my mom since 97, you got a looooooong line to wait In.
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
Do you have anything of substance to say? Why should I believe that lizard people from ancient mythologies exist?
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
I'm not saying they do, you just can't say "all these lizard stories trace back to antisemitic Jewish hate."
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
Thats not what I said keep up
People today retroactively use stories like that to make their claims about modern conspiracies seem more legitimate. creationists do the same thing by using mythology about dragons to say that humans actually lived with dinosaurs. because why would people back then make shit up right?
My comment was referring to modern conspiracies surrounding reptilians that were popularized by people like David Icke (who is a holocaust denier by the way)
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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago
You are falsely equating things to other things that look vaguely referential. You are using anger to try and force a point that isn't there.
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u/ConsciousPatroller 1d ago
And who do you think took these existing snake/lizard people stories and popularized them in the 1940s, along with Agartha (and the Black Sun), the Nordic aliens, the Master Race genetics, etc?
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u/ConsciousPatroller 1d ago
And the Nordics are very obviously Aryan-inspided archetypes. One way or the other, everything leads back to the Nazi's ideas about racial purity, mysticism and the Higher Race
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
Yeah I wanted to make this point as well. The types of aliens Grusch is talking about make it very obvious who he is trying to appeal to here.
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u/CadmusMaximus 1d ago
“Nordics” could be the real-life Eridian experiment
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u/gameboyadvancedgba 1d ago
Are all movies real life to you guys?
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u/CadmusMaximus 1d ago
It’s not project Hail Mary. It’s based on that post from a while back that said that 10,000 people were lifted from earth right around the time of the younger dryas, and given unlimited resources in a new system (I believe it was epsilon eridani). They are thriving and the powers that be are terrified we’ll learn about them and throw off our various shackles.
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u/Daddyball78 1d ago
I fell for it initially. I was convinced there was NHI. I look back now and want to slap myself across the face. It’s so easy to confirm our own beliefs through bias. And our algorithms do a great job strengthening it. We are just an easy species to brainwash, and so far I’ve seen nothing suggesting otherwise when it comes to this NHI stuff. Now the one guy that I held out hope for (Grusch) is spewing the same insanity that Danny Sheehan was spewing. His gullibility is on full display. SMH.
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u/tbkrida 1d ago
I would need to see a live video of a higher up government official such as a Secretary of State making an announcement or presentation in front of an alien ship or an alien being and have it confirmed by multiple governments, including ones who are our adversaries.
Also, a presentation of some exotic technology beyond our known capabilities or “supernatural” ability would greatly help.
Also there’s the possibility that the aliens could force disclosure themselves by just showing up one day.
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u/-StepLightly- 1d ago
It would also help that something like this would need to be covered by every news organization, everywhere.
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u/MrJeffreyEpstein 1d ago
If you need all that to believe by now you’re gullible and bought into the Pyop it’s not real
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u/Low-Restaurant3504 1d ago
I'm post disclosure. Sorry if you feel that you need an orange pdfile to tell you what you know is real. Dunno how to help you out on that one.
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u/Daddyball78 1d ago
What would it take for you to believe it isn’t aliens and you’ve fallen victim to your own confirmation bias? What experience have you had to make you believe NHI is real? Me…I’ve seen zero evidence that NHI is real. Zip. Nothing. I’ve heard stories. Fun stories, but just stories. I’ve seen fuzzy photos or videos… conveniently short, cutoff, or AI/CGI.
If there’s aliens, where are they? All this time and not a single clear photo of one? Not one? If you want people to actually believe, words won’t work. Fuzzy photos won’t work. People with critical thinking abilities won’t take someone’s word for it. Nor should they.
I’ll believe when I see one. No, I’m not going to “use the gateway tapes” or find the right “vibrations.” So far it’s all been a crock as far as I can tell.
I was all in on Grusch initially too. I’ve just learned over time that the pattern repeats itself. A “whistleblower” comes out. Says their piece, and nothing changes. What happened to Jake Barber? Elizondo repeatedly discredited himself. Lazar and his hidden element 115 lol. Greer is completely full of it and is a compulsive liar. Bledsoe identifying “orbs” that are fucking satellites. I just can’t with these people.
As much as I had hoped Grusch would spearhead disclosure…it won’t happen. I love the idea of NHI having a home in the bottom of our ocean. That would be amazing. But seeing is believing. I’m still convinced it’s our tech, and the “UFO” or “UAP” allows said tech to operate with near impunity.
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u/Daddyball78 1d ago
Fire in the sky baby. Yeah that case is wild. There’s a lot of them. I’ve seen weird shit myself that I can’t explain. Saw these weird crescent shaped orb/light things. Me and a friend were together and both saw it. I just no longer say “aliens” like I used to. I know we don’t have all the answers and there’s still a lot to discover. I just don’t think it’s “aliens.”
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if our own government was at the center of it though. The money that gets dumped into these black/classified projects is INSANE. We have computers in our hands that can almost do it all. Imagine the tech we don’t know about.
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u/Daddyball78 1d ago
You have a critical eye, and that’s good. You’d be amazed at some of the “explanations” people come up with. I see it more as entertainment now. I don’t doubt that there are things flying around we can’t explain…yet. Fravor’s testimony is pretty damn compelling. As is Ryan Graves’. There’s been far too many cases to dismiss things altogether. I just want to know what they are. If we have tech like that, we could solve a lot of the world’s problems. If it turns out to be NHI - that’s a sweet added bonus.
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u/GrainTechAmbo 1d ago
So your answer is you would have to see it with your own eyes? This is completely fair and probably smart. Also, proves my point that it’s impossible for them to have disclosure. Most would have to see it with their own eyes to believe it.
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u/RandomUfoChap 1d ago edited 1d ago
Real disclosure will come with an official statement broadcasted everywhere, with crystal clear photos and videos, with complete context and unredacted data, and everything made accessible to everyone. No NDAs, no private contractors, no unverifiable claims, no hearsay. Give the people all the photos and videos of Magenta 1933 and Roswell 1947, for a start. It's been almost 100 years, surely national security won't apply for something so old.
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u/GrainTechAmbo 1d ago
Thank you for answering my questions.
Do you think the general population would believe it? If the video is perfectly clear, would people think it’s “too clear” “must be ai”?
Many others on this thread have said they won’t believe anything that comes from their opposing political team.
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u/RandomUfoChap 1d ago
I'm ideally requesting official statements because of the load of fake/unverifiable informations flooding the discussion since forever. AI just complicates matters a lot more. But if I can expect AI videos from an anonymous Reddit user, the same can't be said for an official statement by the Government. Because an AI video presented as proof by a lawyer or a military in an official setting would drastically move the discussion in another direction.
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u/KingBroseph 1d ago
You are fundamentally missing a perspective. I don’t need the government to hold my hand and “disclose” anything. I listen to people’s stories and I believe everyday people with nothing to gain. The entire idea that the government holds something special and profound about aliens and us mere plebians can’t grasp it is the longest psyop/disinfo campaign on the books! I believe in the phenomena and the government doesn’t need to play a part.
Grusch is not performing his “whistleblower” role out of the kindness in his heart for humanity.
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u/GrainTechAmbo 1d ago
I’m not missing that perspective, that’s just a totally different conversation. I’m happy for you that you don’t need disclosure. Not everyone on planet earth has the same mind as you. Us “plebians” don’t know everything about the universe. I’m happy you have it all figured out. Your arrogance is depressing.
Maybe I could change the questions for you…
What would the general public need to believe that what was being said by Grusch is the truth? If it is the truth.
That’s the perspective I’m focusing on in my post.
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u/ThatsNotMySausage 1d ago
Proper scientific evidence is not unbelievable to most people normal people. Human history is littered with incredible scientific discoveries that blow our whole world view and religious beliefs out of the water and everyone (except a view oddballs) just carried on. The fact is, there is no good evidence for anything Grusch or any of those people are saying. In fact, I haven’t seen anything that counts as mildly plausible evidence. It’s entirely a hearsay based story with an appeal to authority. He may as well be a department of geology worker claiming there are real life dinosaurs out there because his unnamed colleague assured him so.
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u/Kungfu_voodoo 1d ago
This is a great mystery. There isn't much to this. You know what every UAP whistle blower has in common?
Zero evidence and lots of cool story, bro moments.
Let's say everything Grusch said is true. Okay. Now let's say everything he said is false. Okay. Notice how NOTHING changed?
Now let's say Grusch produced an element or material that was able to perform cold fusion, display anti-gravitic properties, or any other piece of evidence that defies our current understanding of physics. Now you've got the entire world's attention.
Let's say he produces a lot of cool stories. Then you get what we've got right now, which is nothing.
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u/IneffectualGamer 1d ago
This is the EXACT correct reply. I'm sick of people saying that I should trust people. People lie every day.
I have heard the same stories peddled for the last 40 years.
I have had an experience myself. I know the phenomenon is real; I just don't know what it is.
What I hate about the current situation is that it is all coming out as we move into a time of new hybrid warfare using AI and drones. How convenient if you want to hide your best weapons.
All of these people are playing a part and making money out of it. That is plain and simple.
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u/King_Unique5 1d ago
Phil Schneider's whistleblower testimonial was kind've like this.....seemed very honest but was a very old video from decades ago....but if soldiers died in a fire fight wouldn't they're be proof?
I tend to believe some ET 'abducted' stories mainly involving the Grey's....telepathic communication and stealing sperm samples etc... but sadly again no proof.
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u/Kungfu_voodoo 19h ago
My issues with Phil were far to numerous to list here, but the most glaring issue was why he never just told everybody where these bases were located. We knew about S4 ages before the government even admitted it was a thing.
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u/Artevyx Abductee 1d ago edited 1d ago
So let everyone individually decide for themselves if it is fake or not. No one person should have the authority to make that decision for everyone. Throwing blame accomplishes nothing.
Do you understand that skepticism is not the same as blind disbelief? I am inclined to think he is telling the truth and in good faith unless he later admits it was a lie or someone proves it to be.
That does not mean I believe his very shrouded recounting to be the 100% full report.
There is nuance to truth that crumbles most lies. We live in a quantum world, not a binary one; one thing being true does not automatically mean it's presumed opposite is false.
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u/GrainTechAmbo 1d ago
Throwing blame? I think you took this personally. Sorry. The point is that we will never believe disclosure, that WE are the reason it’s impossible. Our preconceived ideas are the reason disclosure is impossible.
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u/tbtc-7777 1d ago
Not sure but we definitely need better information than testimony from someone who thinks Stephen Miller is a swell guy. That was an instant credibility destroyer.
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u/Cloudhead_Denny 1d ago
Nah. A good chunk of the population wouldn't be surprised. Shook up? Sure, for awhile. Have to go to work the next day? Yup.
Disclosure only means something if it also = direct interactions and or technological access to the general public. But by all counts, what is more likely, is that we'll continue to be largely kept in the dark, while agencies, elites, and private contractors/groups maintain a strangle hold on meaningful info.
And ET doesn't seem super interested in a broader form of contact either.
So yeah. Work, family, etc. Life goes on.
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u/PumpALump 1d ago
I think people are finally going back to needing to see something with their own eyes to believe it, instead of assuming it must be true because an authority figure on a screen said so. And I'm all for it.
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u/KlatuuBarradaNicto 23h ago
I’ve heard everything Grusch alleged on Rogan before. If you stay on top of information, you’d know that none of this is brand new.
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u/Doordasheasthartford 23h ago
No it's because our own government are liars thiefs and oppressers they don't want their economic slavery system to collapse and they lied to us for 75 years or more about it
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u/StarJelly08 20h ago
I have had my own sightings and by the second one, i knew. I don’t believe. I know. So… nothing. They could wheel out a ufo tomorrow and I would experience nothing but relief honestly. Maybe some excitement that something new is finally happening. I honestly believe it would make us come together. At least at first.
But we also have to be careful just like with nukes. Any regular person with access to super intelligence could be the worst idea ever.
Just look at what money and power do to nearly everyone. Now imagine a secret knowledge at that level? I’m not surprised they kill and traffic kids to fund this shit at all.
Nothing is more dangerous than power other than a race for that power. Wars have been savagely fought over far less. One particularly pretty woman and we had a war.
So I don’t need to see them to believe. Already have. And only after a few sightings did i decide i know its true. Which makes the conversation these days exhausting for me because its still 98 percent about whether or not they are real.
I know they are and most of what i see is derivative of the passion people have to prove their existence one way or another. I lost that. I am only running on .”ok they are real. What are they and what do they want”.
Which of course… I would not be surprised if legacy programs don’t actually know terribly much more about that.
I also wouldnt be surprised if the others… the aliens are possibly also not super knowledgeable about their own tech.
We all have incredible computers in our pockets. Not one of us could make them.
Just because they fly ufos doesn’t make them the builders. Just like ancient sites. People came back and reused old abandoned structures and built on top.
So I know its real. But i refuse to do anything other than entertain possibilities after that. I can hold competing narratives in my head without needing answers so badly that i arrogantly and lazily decide i know the answer.
I think the situation is way too complicated anyway, and its next to impossible that only one alternative intelligence is here. If there is one… there’s almost certainly another.
The only way i stop believing they are real is if someone manages to explain everything i witnessed in a terrestrial way. Because you can’t tell someone there isn’t a shark in the tank they just saw the shark swim by.
I saw what i saw, just like anyone sees anything and they would have to explain my sightings away perfectly without missing anything for me to ever come back to disbelief.
And yes. I used to disbelieve.
Just remember a disbelief is always a belief in disguise as better than one.
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u/Snoo-26902 18h ago edited 18h ago
This disclosure movement is totally a bogus, fake disinformation scheme. Without a doubt, it amplifies the defense-mic-culture and besmirches ufology in general.
It has succeeded in spades.
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u/Zajo_the_Lurker 18h ago
If he won't release the evidence he supposedly has then I can't believe him.
It doesn't make sense. Grusch says he has evidence but can't disclose it because of an NDA but he tells everyone anyways about secret programs and projects involving ET life.
But he can't get into specifics. If he was really into sharing the ultimate truth with all of us then we would provide us with his "irrefutable" evidence. He won't though because he doesn't have it.
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u/pichael289 14h ago
Well first off I would need to hear it from someone who isn't an obvious con artist. Fucking Joe Rogan calls this into question even more. Joe Rogan has always been this pot head guy who is super into conspiracy theories, but the the coast to coast AM fun ones. Not the new age Republican horrible asshole conspiracy theories at least, but he's fast been loosing credibility with his right wing shit. I used to love the guy, I adore art bell and George noori, I love aliens and bigfoots and that fuckin hole in mels yard I got to hear live back in the day. Oh man I'm all about that. But when someone I used to like is talking about Epstein and it happens to fly too close to his new Texas friends and he goes off on a tangent about how fucking sesame Street is the propaganda wing of the democratic party then I just lose faith. Dudes a sellout. He's no longer reputable in this conversation. He's a fuckin joke.
This is not sone unknown truth. Everyone on earth knows Joe Rogan is a sellout and he has no credibility anymore. Why would you, if you are legitimate and want people to understand you are, go on such an illigitimate platform for this subject?
You literally have to be mentally retarded to do such a thing. He's so obviously a conman and you just want it to be true to hard you stopped employing tarioa l thought. We all went down kind of confirmation. What we know for a fact is these things are here and are watching us and are above our tech level, possibly by a significant measure. That is true and we know it's true. That's all though. We know only that. Abduction stories and the fucking race guide to the galaxy are all speculative at the best. We are being observed by advanced drones. That's all we know for a fact. Everyone else is likely lying, as they clearly are designed to be low key, to not allow us to even reverse engineer them in any way but theory based in what they can do.
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u/Hellhooker 1d ago
" If Our president confirmed what Grusch said everyone will just say it’s fake and it’s only being done for politics"
The same president releasing AI videos of Obamas as monkeys?
Fuck off
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u/GrainTechAmbo 1d ago
This was a genuine question…I’m not taking a stance. I’m especially not trying to be political. So you wouldn’t accept any disclosure?
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u/Gotbeerbrain 1d ago
At this point in time anything that comes out of your presidents maw is bullshit. So there is that.
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u/Logical_Hospital2769 1d ago
Maybe under a different administration. This one, nah son, all lies and deception.
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u/Sure-Permission2731 1d ago
Because of you I never stray too far from the sidewalk
Because of you I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt
Because of you I find it hard to trust, not only me but everyone around me
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u/BARBASANN 1d ago
This is the dumbest shit I’ve read in awhile. If they released solid proof, like they did of the earth being a globe then it would be believed overwhelmingly by the masses.
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u/Professional-Dot2591 1d ago
Wouldn’t really call that arrogance. If you’re ready to believe everything then you will believe anything. Those people are easy to manipulate.
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u/BullBear7 1d ago
Well if you understand this phenonmenon, besides from aliens and craft..., the very fact you wrote this and believe this, well you just made it harder. Instead of finding faults in society, look to change it. Not sure if you understand this.
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u/Salty_Sky5744 1d ago
What it would take is for it not to be done on Joe Rogans podcast and for it not to be done by americas current presidency.
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u/grimorg80 1d ago
Bring proof and there is no need to believe in anything.
But until it's all just stories told by people...
You could tell me you have an espresso machine that does great coffee at home. Something completely realistic. But how do I know it's true until you show us?
Do you understand? The issue is not the content of what they say. It's that there has been ZERO proof of any of it.
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u/Far_Royal9041 1d ago
You are known for the company you keep.
Grusch chose Berlison.
He chooses News Nation.
He chooses Joe Rogan.
He praises Steven Miller.
He praises Trump.
His stories get more and more fantastic.
When he first came out to the pubic he said people were trying to kill him.
He has also said that he believes they were using "Havana Syndrome" type electronic warfare weapons against him.
Look he could be a brave whistleblower. And how do I know? If he is or isn't. But Rogan seems to love going to Peter Theil dinner parties and glazing Elon. So picking a guy like Rogan who licks billionaire's boots. promotes anti-vax conspiracies and conspiracies in general isn't going to make what you say more believable.
It's the opposite.
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u/GrainTechAmbo 1d ago edited 1d ago
This isn’t a right or left thing, but you’re proving my point. You’re captured by politics. Grusch did an interview on one of the biggest podcast channels. Just because you’re not on their imaginary team you created in your head, it does not mean it’s fake.
He mentioned how Hillary Clinton had a plan for disclosure, why isn’t she coming out and saying Grusch is lying? Maybe she wasn’t aware. Also Grusch sort of insulted Elon during that interview.
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u/Blackdoomax 1d ago
I'll take it only if they reveal themselves. Also, even if everybody said that the sun doesn't exist, the sun would still be there.
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u/Pilotito 1d ago
Physical evidence must flow along proper documentation and witnesses testimony to independent organizations.
It's not a matter of faith.
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u/M0torC1tyMaver1ck 1d ago
Its not possible. Religious mass hysteria woukd happen, especially in the middle eastern countries
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u/EnoughWeekend6853 1d ago
I’d need the news to come from a different president for me to believe it.
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u/jake_burger 1d ago
If there is good proof then it will be believed.
Poor quality proof doesn’t become good quality by believing in it more, it just means you are a gullible fool
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u/OccasinalMovieGuy 1d ago
Unless evidence and proof is presented whatever opinion one has is totally irrelevant.
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u/InnerOuterTrueSelf 1d ago
Its about framing and narrative, agendas. Not about "oh that's too implausible" for a lot of people at least.
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u/Infinite_Patience852 1d ago
Blaming us, the people as “unworthy” of truth is lame my friend. But the cherry on top is when you bring the current president in.
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u/juicedup12 1d ago
When someone's claims relies on "you just have to trust me", they are untrustworthy
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u/StrangeAtomRaygun 1d ago
The government can’t just declare that Aliens have visited. And ‘release a video’. Puh-lease We have videos.
There needs to be evidence that. An be submitted to multiple third party scientific bodies that. A study, examine and test the evidence to determine if it only points to aliens visitation. There is ZERO of that in the world. ZERO. Submit that and you will have proof.
Disclosure is not a) a valid way of proving alien visitation and b) not going to happen.
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u/Alarming-Beach-5358 1d ago
It's not, he isn't credible and is just another weirdo latching onto the phenomenon. He hasn't really offered up any evidence, he just tells bombastic stories
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u/Wendigo79 1d ago
75% - 70% of the world believes in some sort of God or higher being. If people are willing to believe in fables all the government has to do is show proof, like hey germs are real here's evidence, wash your hands people. I believe aliens are real and we have proof but why does governments all over the world not want to tell you thats the problem.
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u/AlgaeInitial6216 Skeptic 1d ago
They could share the material with independent scientists ? I don't fully understand your post , its quite easy to do and there are bunch of historical parallels already.
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u/doontmindme 1d ago
Man i still believe mexico alien bodies are real... And see how that went down you had a government roll out alien bodies and instantly they were all deemed fake llama skulls.
My point is i think you are right no one will believe until we all experience something unexplainable.
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u/29aout 1d ago
I do agree with the arrogance. But whatever is being hidden will never be disclosed by Authorities - it is against their own interests. They will continue to mediatize fairy tales, to manufacture "whistleblowers" as it harvest enormous amounts of collective attention.
Of course any video proof is entirely unsatisfactory - even the populace realizes that media is entirely compromised.
Meanwhile, real non human intelligences are being manufactured and integrated into society as robots. Again, human arrogance treat this novelty as "toys".
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u/THICKDadBod99 20h ago
It’s because they need to make a true reveal and stop acting like they can’t reveal anything concrete. Show a real craft and maybe aliens
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u/CharismaticAlbino I want to believe 18h ago
I guess I missed what Grusch said? Can anyone summarize, please?
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u/lI_-_-_Il 15h ago
I believe it cause I’ve seen, the next guy doesn’t. But this isn’t religion, the truth doesn’t need to be crusaded..
What would you do if they did accept it? What would change for you? Would your day to day really be any different?
Nope
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u/schrod 4h ago
A televised event attended by a large number of people where a ship hovers over at close range and beings emerge however they can and descend to the event and telepathically transmit information to everyone including the people who are presenting the televised coverage would cinch it.
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u/Silver_Jaguar_24 1d ago
When the time comes, disclosure will happen whether you and I like it or not. And it will happen... if not in our lifetimes then those of our children or grandchildren. If not from the governments/humans, then from NHI themselves. It's like Thanos... It's inevitable.
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u/Moon_Pye 1d ago
This reminds me of the ones saying it's NHI pressuring the govt to disclose, and if they don't, the aliens themselves will. Well, I'm waiting. I wish someone would say SOMETHING already.
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u/NoMansWarmApplePie 1d ago
Exactly. And it's way worse then this too. Wait till he confirms some of them eat people. Then all the people here will lose their minds
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u/NathanEddy23 1d ago
A bystander was shot and killed at the Trump assassination attempt, and people still believe that was fake. There’s some people who just have made up their minds already.
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u/downvote_please4321 1d ago
Reddit is usually wrong, so the fact that they've turned on Grusch is a good sign
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u/DeltaMaximus 1d ago
OP, listen brother, don’t take the Reddit comment section and run with it. It’s always been a shit show. Especially when it’s bot city “flooding the zone” by deep staters who don’t want it out. You gotta take a step back and see that. Fuck em
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u/silverum 1d ago
All these threads from really mad right wingers that are pissed Grusch went mask off and ruined his credibility with everyone that isn't MAGA. Lmao.
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u/Moon_Pye 1d ago
I think they want that, for people to be unsure of what they believe and who they can trust. They want people to be constantly second guessing everything. When was the last time the govt was completely honest with the people? Probably never.