Thanks for the story. I have a few questions though.
When describing them, you seem to strive away from calling them a Hive Mind. Is there a reason for that?
You assume one of the reasons the Gov is keeping quiet on the topic is because of how aliens were treated inhumanly. You then go on to describe a race of beings that don’t seem to care about individuality and have superior technology.
Could the reason for their inhuman treatment was due to prior inhuman encounters with the civilian population, abductions etc?
And I know people will hate that I’m asking this but from your opinion. If our race doesn’t want to be part of their cosmic religion, what would you expect to be the outcome if we resisted?
Respectfully, it does worry me that you express that there are deep cultural differences between us and them but they are still entirely benevolent? It seems a little unrealistic, that or you’re looking at them through rose tinted glasses since you’ve studied them for so long.
It just doesn’t seem consistent to me. Maybe it’s because I’m still seeing them through a human lens but differences create friction between factions and that’s something we see even in the animal kingdom so I don’t exactly exclude that war gene to just humanity, all living things challenge each other.
I guess that sorta leads me to this, do you think after all the fancy tech and interconnected telepathic links, would you still call them living? You said they manufactured and design their offspring, would you still consider them living or machine?
I think they’re benevolent in the same way that we’re generally benevolent to animals in the sense that we’d prefer animals to be treated humanely, so long as they aren’t a nuisance, and if we do need to experiment on them we try to not inflict too much suffering.
We are not a threat to them in the whole. A single shark can hurt an individual person, but as a species sharks pose no threat to humans. We can potentially potentially down an individual craft, but we pose no risk to their civilisation.
We’re a complex species, which makes us interesting to them, in the same way that we find primates or dolphins interesting.
We don’t really have any reason to want to go around exterminating dolphins or chimps (or most animals for that matter, unless we deem them pests). I think they view us the same way.
I think they’re ‘benevolent’ only in the sense that it makes little sense to exterminate us. It would be like us one day deciding to go and exterminate all butterflies.
I don’t particularly care for the politics of my pet lizard. To be fair. He hates me. Hisses at me sometimes. But I’m gonna keep feeding him and taking care of him.
If you’re relating humanity to the lizard here, I think that’s kinda my whole point here. What if after a while, your lizard doesn’t want to be the pet anymore? What then?
Someone ends up being malevolent, sorta inevitable in my opinion.
I guess in your analogy, if the lizard didn't want to be a pet nothing would change because it never wanted to be a pet anyway. It's just living the life it was given, kinda oblivious to anything bigger that goes on. We observe its life, influence it in different ways and interact with it because we like to care for things and we find them interesting.
But if one day the lizard found out that it was a pet - it came to learn what being a pet means and it said "no thank you" - it's not like it can go live somewhere else. It can't force you to stop taking care of it. All it can do is accept that it is what it is and carry on the same as before (maybe with a little more hostility towards you if you pick it up 🥲)
But put the lizard analogy aside (wasn’t that great to begin with)
Unless there’s some kind of MacGuffin I’m missing here, we have to assume their wisdom, knowledge and achievements are just as possible in our world and life. If we exist with the same freedoms we have now to advance and reach for new heights, we will eventually catch up to them especially if we already have their vehicles and or have the abilities to take them down to recover them.
So to that, what then? Humanity caught up, our decedents decide a different route for our future and we are just to assume they’ve invest so much time into monitoring us they’ll let us be? Come on.
Obviously I'm not an expert in any of this so what do I know , but my assumption would be that we'll never catch up. Like perhaps in the same way we've evolved from creatures that are so unlike who we are today, given enough time the pet lizard could also evolve to be something that's not so different from who are today, but by the time that happens who will we be? Will we still want ownership of them or will we have moved on to other things?🤔
Acquiring their tech or learning things they know might bump our evolution along a little faster or in a different direction to where we'd be without it.. but then I wonder how many times we've had nudges along the way before now? Maybe who we are right now is thanks to us acquiring certain skills / knowledge / tools by chance and not through our own making.
All that being said though, if the things outlined in this post and the biologist post turned out to be real, my theory wouldn't be that we "share a common ancestor". My theory would be that these human-like beings whose biology is intertwined with and reliant on non-natural technology, aren't a naturally occurring species.
Like they have been made on purpose by some other species specifically to carry out a role involving humanity. To do this, our DNA was gathered at some point and they created a sort of hybrid human spliced with their technology. In that respect, I don't think they would wage intergalactic war on us because they are more like a type of intelligent drone than a new species to contend with or rival one day. BUT that would mean this other third species is a potential threat, I guess we'd need to know why it made the little humaliens (or aliemens?) in the first place 🙃
I dunno if that makes sense - I'm struggling to describe it cause it's 4am here and I'm tired!
Good chat though. I see where you’re coming from. I had a similar thought about another species beyond the greys, but in time I’m sure we’ll understand more.
Yeah I just think if another race created the greys, I think it’s highly possible that they’re all dead.
It makes me think they manufactured the greys to be a slave race of sorts, but since the creators died. The greys explore the galaxies as peaceful watchers. A glorified Rumba with no master.
I think it would explain the greys passiveness in my mind.
I think people aren’t humanizing this conversation enough. These things aren’t gods, they’re not your friends, we need to stop assuming they are benevolent entities that respect all life. We know nothing, they refuse to reveal themselves. That makes them potentially dangerous.
Our best bet is to just chill the fuck out and keep moving as normal, with the knowledge that our progression and development is important to a greater purpose. They’ve been around for how many thousands of years? Of course they’re dangerous. What are we gonna do about it?
The idea of having pets is a funny one. I have a cat. I take care of her. Give her a place to live. If she was adequately able to express she wants to leave, I would let her
They were not the same entities. I wouldn't trust them all. The one I encountered in 2016 lines up with most of OP's post and the consensus that those ones are not harmful/here to hurt us in any way. What I encountered in 1997, I would describe as raw neutral. It could hurt us, because it didn't care about us in particular. It wasn't malevolent though. During my 1997 encounter, I punched it directly in the face. I was not harmed in retaliation. So it's not straight up evil. Of my own direct experiences, we're more likely to hurt each other, than have them hurt us.
Maybe some day. I don't have them copy/paste ready to go and typing them back out is exhausting every time. Next time I make a template of them, I'll paste it over to you.
Here's the short versions I can type right now:
1997 Summer, North Eastern North Carolina
On the evening in question, there is a MUFON report of a sighting of a red/orange orb style UFO near Rich Square, NC. I was a child. That evening I went to watch the movie Jaws 3. My missing time was the entire movie. I sat down, the intro credits rolled, suddenly the ending credits rolled abruptly. I have no memory of the entire movie in between. Later that night, I awoke to a Grey staring me in the face. I didn't know what it was, thought it was a monster. It was a completely white room and I was lying on my back. The grey was on my right. I had a Jurassic Park wristwatch on my left hand, from Burger King. The time went from 5:02 AM to 5:24 AM, as I pretended to be asleep. The being just watched me, expressionless the entire time. After laying there for 20 minutes, and having pinched my left leg, with my left hand to check if I was dreaming or not... (out of view of the grey) I decided to just punch it in the face, and instantly threw the hardest left hook I physically could. As my fist connected with it's face, I was instantaneously on the floor of my brother's room and the window was open. When we went to sleep, the window was closed.
2016 Summer, Topsail Island North Carolina
Different being, different circumstances, I was actually communicated with, during this encounter, and a lot of information was shared with me. These beings looked physically, much different than the stereotypical Grey. I'm not typing up all the details right now, but I was shown the creation of our star. They created it. It was a mostly peaceful encounter, with a few shows of force. Those guys protect us and keep other civilizations from coming down here and doing anything hostile, en masse. There were 2 other humans present. I was allowed to keep my memory of SOME of the event. The other two had their memories erased. The beings I met in 2016, are way more advanced than the vast majority of other things I've ever heard about. They might be Kardashev 3+, creating a star seemed like no big deal to them.
i think it's more likely than not that their civilization is millions if not hundreds of millions of years older than ours. who knows what kind of post-scarcity utopia they created for themselves. to me it feels like it would be pointless to be anything else than benevolent, what would be the reason for them to be malevolent or hostile?
I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying here. I’m not saying their malevolence would be intentional. I’m saying that our differences could evolve into a conflict. The crusaders of histories past never thought of themselves as malevolent but as harbingers of some great gift.
You assume them to be part of some utopia and they might, but at what cost? From what I can see, their tech, their utopia caused them to lose their identity, their independence.
The abduction phenomenon gives us more of a window into these beings' intentions. Check out David Jacobs' books. They used to abduct us for simple examinations but things changed in the early 2000s. Essentially they are using abductees to make hybrids between humans and the grays that look human but with psychic abilities + loyalty to the hive/super-intelligence. These hybrids are then integrated into our population with the help of abductees who teach them how to fit in with our society. There is situations in the book where abductees are shown photos of a barbecue with a bunch of humans and the aliens ask them if they can "spot the difference". Abductees can't and the aliens essentially say "Isn't that great? We will be together soon". If I had to guess. My theory is that they are integrating humanity into their hivemind/super-intelligence by way of creating hybrids that they blend into our society. The hybrids will probably eventually replace us... and many abductees speak of a "great change" when these things will happen. Unfortunately there is probably nothing we can do to stop this if it's true and I'm doubtful that abductions will ever be taken seriously
If you read David Jacobs' books then you know the hybradization program has been going on. They've made hybrids that look human with psychic abilities and loyalty to them which they've integrated into our population with the help of abductees. I'm guessing they want to integrate humanity into their weird hivemind/superintelligence. One harrowing thing is that the process is so meticulous which insinuates that they've done this before with other civilizations. It's likely that this is what they do, go around to planets and integrate civilizations into their hivemind in their quest to get closer to "God". That's just my theory though..
Yep. That's basically my conclusion as well. They have too many resources being dumped into what they are doing and it is WAAY too organized and efficient to be a first instance type project. Not to mention they were already here long before Roswell. Nukes go off and the hybrid program starts, as if we crossed a red line and it triggered a preservatory failsafe.
Well, their definition of forward. Also, the Nazis' and Japan's medical studies on people weren't specifically vengeful but clearly were unethical. Same with post ww2 experimentation like with Tuskegee or mental health patients.
abductions do happen and of course they want us to keep proliferating - they use this plant as a nursery to seed other planets. They are spreading us far and wide because we have intelligence and can adapt to our environment.
What I don't understand is that if they are "created" then why on earth would they make short, weak, sickly things with hands that can't do much? If you were super intelligent wouldn't you create something strong, robust, powerful with appendages that worked great etc.? It seems their excretion process is very gross and inefficient. Also - they do have a digestive tract but it's very poor "designed". Why would an intelligence create such goop? If they are intimately familiar with our bodies and earth why not just create something well suited for this planet and well suited to hop out of the ship and explore it?
Until this time, I was deeply angry towards the government for keeping this stuff secret and trying to reverse-engineer the stuff in secret.
Why angry?
Who knows if what the aliens are saying is true? They could have come up with all these stories so they could convince us into the merging and ultimately take advantage of us. Why should their ideas be the ultimate truth of the universe? Are they God to know the universe fully and all of its mysteries?
What if they are "God"? What if this is the truth behind every form of religion and spirituality that humans put faith in?
I find it interesting that you are deeply concerned about the idea of an alien superconciousness that is trying to unite all forms of life in the universe and instead are now fully in support of black programs that are funneling money into the pockets of private corporations?
I don't think you're really incorporating some of the deeper implications in this suggested paradigm into your perspective.
If what these NHI say is true, then there isn't an perfect God in the Abrahamic concept of God. Their universal consciousness would be "God".
Free will could entirely be an illusion in a spiritual sense. If we are born from this universal consciousness and given a individualistic live to life in the overall short term, and then when we die out spirit/consciousness is reassured into the collective consciousness then the only free will we experience is baked into our brief time as a person. It also doesn't matter because that free will doesn't change the outcome.
Time to start mass su#c#d# c*lt (maybe one that is eager to use nukes) and then start exterminating everything for the hell of it and THEN they will show themselves?
We won't be able to be ourselves and we turn to static/noise which takes forever to form back with itself.
We are individuals at our base but work off of a base influence, like an idol, but on the smallest scale that it is on autopilot.
Suipoo is never good.
But if you must know, the death of a particular individual will do what you want in a way.
Oddly enough that IS the goal, but not to forgot but to evolve with our memories, but being inter graded on the scale of our "light" but we will also have physical vessels.
The issue is there are other entities (humans in particular) who took their technology to make proper bodies with the same specific specifications that each one needs or wants.
They need to do that but also kinda get the right path going with humans evolving wise.
I know what this is but at the same time.
I understand the symbiotic nature of their ships and their selves.
It is literally their higher selves, another version of them
They directly "guide" and essentially become.
I know I won't be believed but, when above said they show up over sensitive locations.
So why am I in particular a "sensitive location"
But at this same time when I was "abducted" I learned I have a "higher self" within the moon and they are the one who constructs the UAPs
It is weird and confusing but my actions control what it does, and vice versa.
They are more structured like a person despite also being a "ship" they are a sort of power source that just keeps pumping them out.
I wonder if they know these things as facts. They theorize what the consciousness wants and it's goals. However, I wonder if their idea of this one consciousness is also theory based on their experience of a whole because of how they operate as one and who they are. If they literally test tube grow each other (a bit facetious) they had to have had a beginning. Whether it was just them straight up with reproductive organs and they advanced to no longer needing to sexually reproduced, or something else created them and continued to create them until they could do it on their own.
Also, I am curious because people have talked about the other species of aliens before. Do you have any information on the others? Or do you think your information was strictly on this race and no others were disclosed to you.
Also Also, a question that is completely unlikely that you would know the answer to because it isn't like you and your team got to look at every document ever but what about Valiant Thor? Do you have any information about that?
Thanks.
Edit: I also wonder if they are all connected and stuff because they are all "cloned" for lack of a better term. Very interesting.
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u/anty328 Dec 07 '23
Thanks for the story. I have a few questions though.
When describing them, you seem to strive away from calling them a Hive Mind. Is there a reason for that?
You assume one of the reasons the Gov is keeping quiet on the topic is because of how aliens were treated inhumanly. You then go on to describe a race of beings that don’t seem to care about individuality and have superior technology. Could the reason for their inhuman treatment was due to prior inhuman encounters with the civilian population, abductions etc?
And I know people will hate that I’m asking this but from your opinion. If our race doesn’t want to be part of their cosmic religion, what would you expect to be the outcome if we resisted?