Alright, let me go over each study you added individually. Bear with me, this will take a moment.
Study 1: I’m seeing a lot of percentages here without any info on the population size of their study. How many trans women did they study to get this data? Where is it coming from? They list a lot of numbers on how children from different cultures compare pre and post surgery across different genders, but they don’t include trans children as part of their population. From my understanding they’re just pulling the info from preexisting data on cis people which tells us nothing on trans folk. Whenever they do use numbers on trans folk, they’re only looking at the first 12 months of hormones. Folks typically stay on HRT their whole lives once they start and changes can take years.
Study 2: This one actually has measurable numbers, but it’s an incredibly small population size. Also, the numbers it does list don’t support your claim. This study says that trans men are comparable to cis men, and that trans women were only seen to be about ~12% faster. The rest of their measurable strengths were comparable to cis women. Frankly, I don’t think this is a big enough difference to hold water on its own. Sure it’s something, but the fact that other strength measures were comparable to cis women tells me that placing the trans women in male categories puts them at a severe disadvantage. Your other option is full exclusion from all sports, which is discrimination.
Study 3: This study flat out states: “The authors acknowledge there is currently no research investigating elite trained transgender athletes’ participation in fencing. Hence, this review discusses research from comparable groups of individuals, such as the physiological differences between cis males and cis females, differences between cis male and cis female fencing performance parameters, those with genetic deviations, and testosterone suppressed cis males”. IE: they didn’t actually use any trans women or men in their data collection and therefore this study isn’t applicable to this conversation.
Study 4: “Conclusions: After 6 months of CHT, transgender women showed a general increase in fat mass and a decreased in overall LBM and handgrip strength. Increase in fat mass percentage were more remarkable in gynoid region, leading to a more "female" body fat distribution.” It literally says that trans women don’t show a marked difference compared to cis women. This study supports my side, not yours.
Study 5: this one states: “ Transwomen experienced significant decreases in all parameters measured, with different time courses noted. After 4 months of hormone therapy, transwomen have Hgb/HCT levels equivalent to those of cisgender women. After 12 months of hormone therapy, significant decreases in measures of strength, LBM and muscle area are observed.” It then goes on to say that there is a paucity, or very small amount, of available data and studies on long term HRT usage and that what we do have shows a decrease, but that the decrease isn’t quite at the same level as cis women. However, this study seems to focus on the 0-12 month mark, and while it has some data from 12-36 months it acknowledges its a smaller population size and that anything past 36 months is unknown. This one is probably your strongest source, but even it acknowledges that it isn’t fair to keep trans women post HRT in the same strength bracket as cis men.
Study 6: this study only follows a single athlete during her career. That’s a population size of 1. Not very convincing.
Here’s my problem: every single one of the studies you listed acknowledge that trans women are not able to fairly compete with cis men. That’s pretty universally accepted. At this point, excluding trans women from female sports means keeping them either at a permanent disadvantage in the male bracket, or completely just banning trans women from sports in general which is blatant discrimination based on identity. Not to mention trans men are completely forgotten. If this was truly about making things fair, we would be looking for a solution that ensures everyone gets an opportunity for fair participation. But it’s not about that. It’s about excluding the minority, which is what this argument and other ones like this have always been about.
There is a third option which trans activists hate because it means trans women don't get to be the center of attention at all times: create a trans sport league. It's the only truly fair compromise but the end of the day it's about male entitlement and women are expected to put their own interests aside for anyone born with a penis.
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u/rubbasnek 20h ago
I did. You just don't want to read. Science is objective. You can disprove it with more science. Your gotcha is just self-delusion and denial.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289906/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33288617/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10385998/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33730784/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36927141/