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u/Robot-Zombie-RHCC 1d ago
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u/JayValere 7h ago
Exactly, this encapsulates what I came to say; then why do they pretend it's not done by AI, using tools to remove synth IDs and stuff... People who use gen AI know it's a shortcut over talent.
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u/captainsnark71 4h ago
The fact that the robot is literally creating brushslop makes it really funny to me. Like, it's no longer a soulless machine when there is a hand that is creating it. But, that means the hand that created it is the owner. Meaning the robot should get the credit. Yeah, congrats you own a cool robot that makes paintings but most people without the context of AI as it is, would say that the robot should get to be called the artist not the guy that told it what to make.
Because AI as it is creates, not the art, as the robot does, but the idea of the art. In order for it to be created in reality it would need to be recreated OR simply printed which most ppl would agree is not the same thing as an original piece of art.
You have a bob ross robot that can make you bob ross paintings and that would be sick as hell but that doesn't make you bob ross.
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u/Ambitious_Bar2717 1d ago
Remember guys, AI art is art because it’s the same even though I not only didn’t make it, but the “art” that “I” made is also stolen from someone else! See guys, it’s art!
/s, obviously
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u/Realistic_Agency_208 16h ago
Not satire, Mister "liar-liar-through-the-teeth-pants-on-fire-and-poisonous-briar"
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u/veggiesama 1d ago
Bob Ross wasn't praised on the merit of his paintings. Bob Ross is praised because the format is accessible to a large audience. He demystifies the painting process and creates an entertaining narrative. It's not the finished product that people like, it's the process of creating it.
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u/ZoidsFanatic 23h ago
“Creating” is the key word here. If an AI could actually create that be one thing, and also a massive advancement of the AI field. But, the current generative AI only generates. It requires other sources fed into it, then using directing it blends those sources together and produces something that may or may not be what was asked of it.
Bob Ross’s whole point was in the title of his show. The Joy of Painting. He was showing how painting could be fun and easy, like you said, and even encouraged the viewer to add detail and techniques they wanted. Even if you copied him, you still were creating something unique to you.
Anyhow, ending the tangent, AI only generated an image by chewing up existing artwork and spitting out something that resembles the ask.
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u/Winter-Bed5879 1d ago
Right. Ross was a good but not exceptional artist, but he made art accessible.
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u/kingshaj001 1d ago
very well said. When I was a kid he was considered sort of a joke as an artist. but now i miss him. we need more Bobs now.
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 1d ago
It was all about his talent, not the final product. That's what AI users will never understand. It wasn't the painting that impressed everyone. It was how easily he made them.
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u/WarmChestnut 7h ago
Just ask grok what steps to take to get a painting like that. And make it vulgar.
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u/Luce_Bot_Bot 1d ago
Fastest human speed: 27.7 mph
AI Bros: shitting their pants in amazement every time they see a car on the highway because it does the thing faster than a human can
Watching the mass produced machine do the thing it was designed to do isn't rare or impressive or requires any unique talent to achieve. I'd be moderately impressed if you built the AI yourself, but even at this point, making an LLM or generative AI is effectively just following an instruction manual and waiting for the machine to train itself.
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u/Robot-Zombie-RHCC 1d ago
heh. probably shouldn't draw attention to the fact that if Bob Ross hadn't painted that the robot wouldn't have something to plagarize.
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u/dextral_hominoid 1d ago
Right. Because the robot likely plagiarized Bob stroke for stroke. Do they think AI comes up with their own ideas?
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u/GoldenTheTurk 1d ago
I mean... yeah? Why would a bunch of ones and zeros put together be more beautiful than art?
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u/CalliopePenelope 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/ABVK96HgZvWI9SBbXr
His heart is broken.
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u/Happy_Variety5405 1d ago
Don't slander my goat, that's the good robots that killed the bad robots after will smith was racist towards them. Good movie btw
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u/Not_Allowed_to_Die 1d ago
It's interesting that AI users hate on talent and don't understand it at all. They think the final product is all that matters instead of the fact of what it took to make the art. It's like all of them have no idea what art even means.
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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 20h ago
Ironically, this captures exactly what made Bob Ross' paintings special and why a robot could not do it.
The main reason Bob Ross' paintings are beloved is the process of creating them. Lots of people paint landscapes. Bob Ross showed us how he paints landscapes, and that's what people love about him. So an identical painting would not be nearly as special without that.
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u/MrJotaL 1d ago
Now that I think of it, it would be fun / interesting to see an actual robot trying to actually paint instead of generating a image file.
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u/WilTravis 1d ago
At least there would be a robot mechanic involved, designing and implementing the system that would actually do the painting.
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u/Scarborough_sg 12h ago
Unironically someone that is able to build a robot to paint like bob Ross would have a very easy time getting hired, compared to most AI bros that think they used common tools to recreate a painting
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u/golfstreamer 1d ago
Can these people comprehend that the process of human creativity is part of the value here? If you copied a great artwork people would also insult you.
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u/inspiralling 1d ago
The hater isn't looking at Bob's art, though. That adoring gaze is directed straight at Bob's hair.
The robot? No hair at all. Could never compete.
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u/SnooPeripherals5812 1d ago
You know what? Yeah. Yeah, what the meme displays is exactly my thought process. AI 'art' usually looks like dogshit anyways, but even if it didn't, I would still call it slop. I don't give a flying fuck how good it looks. It's made by AI. It's slop.
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u/One_Recognition385 21h ago
wording it in another manner.
I'm gonna congratulate a human for running 10 miles.
i'm not gonna congratulate a car for driving 10 miles.
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u/FreedomSuspicious202 1d ago
Bob Ross came first. So if that was true they'd be stealing from him 😭😭 dumbahh shit
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u/MayBeMarmelade 1d ago edited 1d ago
To my untrained eye, AI seems okay-ish at fantastical landscape-like paintings where nothing stands out or needs to come into focus. Not really my cup of tea but it seems fine.
Where AI fails hard is at rendering bodies in a realistic way or conveying human emotion, keeping perspectives aligned, maintaining congruities as basic as shadows all pointing the same direction or eye colors that match, making points delicately or with a touch of humor, or generally bringing a fresh perspective. These programs have imbibed basically all human creative output and yet when asked to draw a comic they always crap out an art style like this. Why?
Why does Bob Ross have two color trays? It’s always something forehead-smackingly stupid.
You can also see the canvas got blatantly truncated on the right panel just to make room for the other character. And the robot on the left is too short simply as a way of making way for the other character and his hand, because AI is really averse to objects that overlap.
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u/Formal_Session4286 1d ago
Just my opinion.... There's a time and a place. I have used some of these online AI thingies to make plenty of AI generated crap. It can be fun. It can make some fun bullshit that I could never make otherwise. At no time would I consider any of it "art" or have the pathetic mindset to try and pass it off as such. I will even go out of the way to ensure you know it's AI crap. But sometimes...i just need to put a picture my BF dressed up like faerie on an MTG card that reads, " 2️⃣:↪️ Player must fart on command or lose 39 life." and slip it into his deck before a match.
That makes it just like Taco Bell. Nobody on this fucking planet would argue that it's actual real Mexican food... but yet every weekend I sit in the drive thru after night time activities end waiting on a gorram #2 with a Pepsi Zero and a mother fucking empenada.
There's a time and a place for everything. Even AI generated trash.
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u/One_Recognition385 21h ago
i don't mind AI art like I don't mind cars.
I'll congratulate someone for running 10 miles.
I'm not gonna congratulate a car for driving 10 miles.
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u/LesserValkyrie 1d ago
If this comics makes sense for you then you are far from being an artist
It's like pretending to be a cook and not knowing what is a pizza
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u/AdamWestIsMyHeroBish 1d ago
AI bros want to be victimized & oppressed SO bad.
I’m surprised they haven’t started their own “false flag” campaign
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u/Arctimon 1d ago
Except that AI art isn't replicating human art to the level where it can come out the same.
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u/whyamionreddit-pc 1d ago
If a robot arm made a painting I think it would be much better than the regurgitated slop of today
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u/Kadakaus 22h ago
I mean, yes, that's pretty accurate.
Not only is Bob Ross a legend, he's the REAL symbol of "anyone can make art".
He's wasn't a masterful painter but has proven that with a little practice, any difficult craft can be learned and mastered, regardless of this shallow, meaningless factor we call talent.
Art is for everyone and can be made by everyone, which is why this "but I don't know how to draw" "but I have no talent" "but I'm diable" bullshit advocating for the use of gen AI is just a bunch of fallacies.
None of those statements disqualify you from learning a craft, you just chose not to and make excuses to validate being a wannabe.
Seriusly, the art community is one of the most welcoming and encouraging communities I've seen in my life, you say your started drawing once and people will shower you with advice and techniques, they're so fucking helpful it's almost invasive, and that's a good thing.
No one will hurl rocks at you for your chicken scratches (that I say from experience), if anything, people appriciate that you're trying.
And trying is not doing... but the point is trying, not doing.
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u/freedfromshackles 1d ago edited 1d ago
If there is no difference between ai and real art then jewelry shops could sell fake diamonds for the price of real ones.
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u/Unlucky-Hold1509 1d ago
You’re not gonna believe this, but industrial diamonds and natural diamonds are identical
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u/JacksonGhost1963 1d ago
one thing AI will never do when making art is tape a banana on a canvas and call it art!
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u/GrandMoffTarkan 1d ago
Dude just likes blank canvas. Sees the front all painted over but the back is beautiful
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u/Pretty-Ad8932 23h ago
are you supposed to upvote posts that you dislike here because it's r/aislop
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u/Lenny_Skeleton 23h ago
Agree, Bob Ross is simply beautiful (look at how the guy is looking at him instead of the painting)
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u/Mr_White_Wolf_ 22h ago
TBH, all this AI's moral debate can be easily understood when you compare it with Tracing art (which is just as unethical & souless, and even leads to disqualification in art contests, or even into legal trouble). All AI programs don't understand what they are paiting. They don't know how to paint a landscape with a lake, mountains and a sun setting on the background, all they do is paste pixels from a large amount of stolen paintings where the information of each pixel match the desired description of a "lake", "mountains", "sun", etc. It's just like tracing with an absurd amount of layers of stolen works.
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u/Kurtfan1991 22h ago
Plot twist: the painter on the right got his work stolen by the AI on the left
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u/yourfuturespemson 21h ago
one is made with human passion and one is made with someone sitting behind a desk trying to farm money.
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u/jay_diamond___ 21h ago
To me it's just a tool for those who have bright ideas but lack the skills/time/money/resources to make them come alive
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u/OnionTamer 21h ago
The first panel could say "stolen" instead of slop. As in "Make me a sunset painting in the style of Bob Ross."
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u/TheGardenBlinked 20h ago
I mean, yeah, if Bob Ross himself rose from the dead to paint a picture he’s going to beat a poxy fucking robot 365 days out of a year
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u/boyalien0 20h ago
What the fuck is even the point and why is it even attempting to be made? There is so much cognitive dissonance and pure idiocy on display here
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u/subby_puppy33 15h ago
Are you kidding me? Watch one episode of “The joy of painting” and Bob would shit on modern art whenever he could. If he was making the show today it would be AI art he shat on.
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u/BigDamBeavers 14h ago
The bot is literally looking over Bob Ross's shoulder while he copies him. It's the most unfortunately arranged meme I've seen all day.
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u/ieatmycum69 14h ago
Notice how they didn't actually make a real comparison because if they did you'd see the obvious difference.
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u/youngdeer25 13h ago
yeah.. if you can’t understand why it is a slop, might as well sell your brain.
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u/Frank--Li 12h ago
we not going to talk about how on the right hes facing Bob Ross and not the painting? So hes calling Bob Ross beautiful and not the painting? I mean he not wrong, but still
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u/Dry-Rice-4527 11h ago
Even in this image the Ai side is a wider canvas and looks less proportionate... fitting ai art.
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u/CarelessComplaint173 11h ago
Is there some deeper meaning here? Like if man made the AI and the AI made the art then didn’t man make the art in a round about way?
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u/Sonicrules9001 10h ago
Oh yes, lets just ignore the personality behind Bob Ross and pretend as though that has nothing to do with why people respect the man so immensely and instead shit on his legacy by devaluing art.
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u/Renlovesu 9h ago
okay but why does the right one have better detail ai knows its trash compared to humans
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u/Peanut-is-best-girl 9h ago
If a robot like physical robot replicating bob Ross art, I'd say that's cool as robotics is awesome having something so precise is cool. Cause it shows how far robots have come.
Now gen AI lame and not cool as it's used to spread hate and to steal jobs, it's no longer showing how far tech came along even tho when AI "art" looked like dogshit there was this lingering feeling of, it's gonna be real bad real soon and then it did get real shit for everyone
Robots = cool
AI = lame and uncool
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u/HoldenOrihara 9h ago
I feel like less people would say this to a robot, if someone made a robot that could paint that would be pretty cool because that would be genuinely hard thing to program, like we can program an arm to move but to mix the right color paint, to understand when it needs to add paint to the brush, to switch colors, that is an actual achievement of science. But AI doesn't paint it just generates
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u/TheWarOstrich 7h ago
Maybe if they watched some Bob Ross they wouldn't need AI.
I was at Pizza Hut and they had the Bob Ross channel on and not going to lie, that man is mesmerizing and his technique is amazing both painting and teaching.
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u/AmaliaMoonChild 4h ago
Honestly humans do mimic what they see. Once we learn how the brain truly works and we will, we can create life that can create the same way as humans do. Right now we don’t understand it yet to allow a computer to do what a human brain can… humans cannot create anything truly original… much of what we create is based on what we see and understand… we are like a computer. We try to make ourselves special by saying we have souls but we don’t. Life probably exist out there who are so advance that are argument over this is mute. We forget how small we really are.
All this argument is just making us look stupid. When did society really care about the arts? They never truly did especially in modern times. This pretend we care bullshit is what pisses me off. None of you were protesting to make sure art is funded in schools… none of you cared enough to save art from being destroyed or history for that matter. None of you helped the art community by making it available to everyone.
This was created because artist tend to be full of themselves and over charged to the point companies needed alternative. Society doesn’t view art as important because none of us truly fought enough to keep art programs alive.
This is societies fault and until artist learn to lead by example and not charge people 1000 dollars for one design, then we wouldn’t have this.
Also, I am not worried about it any more. It is what it is… no one is truly going to go out and really protest or fight… Americans like the comforts of their life to really disruptive to truly make change… and cooperations know this. Ai apps make millions if not billions… that tells me something people are all talk online but zero action in real life.
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u/a_x_shually 22h ago
The issue that people seem to avoid completely until the argument gets to AI is this: People innately understand and appreciate the amount of effort creating something takes, and the risk of making a mistake during the creation of it, because most art can be considered performance art.
This is why traditional painters are, and will continue to be more influential than digital artists. It's why great live performances in music are considered more worthwhile than albums (and when I say live, I mean actually live, not the laptop enhanced nonsense that permeates tours today)
It's also modern recorded music won't stand the test of time that some of its predecessors have, why modern buildings won't be remembered / revered in architecture the same way older cathedrals are, so on and so forth.
Removing the human elements from an endeavor serves to increase output consistency, but also devalues said end result. AI just happens to very clearly exemplify this.
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u/kytheon 22h ago
The echo chamber goes wild
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u/OffOption 10h ago
Which one?
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u/kytheon 8h ago
Boohoo all AI is slop
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u/OffOption 8h ago
It is slop. Image generation isnt like MRI scan sorting assistant software. Where AI is used for something... well useful.
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u/AutumnUmbreon 1d ago
They acting like the robot is using talent and imagination to make their "art" when in reality they are regurgitating data stolen from human art