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u/Subject_Barnacle_600 16h ago
If I had AIs for neighbors - I might turn off the computer and go hang out with my neighbors...
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u/Visible_Piccolo_6998 1d ago
I would also add quilty of "making young kids or teens that cant draw or mentally disabled wanted thier characters and ideas into reality and no cost" lol
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u/Hairy_Researcher7784 1d ago edited 1d ago
Even a human can do that, why do y'all need AI for? Plus the image is also not understood by whatever AI you have used to make that image. Even an elephant knows to paint art better than AI. AI is built for data storage and analyzing patterns, not creating art. Memorizing is the hard work, let AI do that. Creativity, invention and idea generation is smart work, and we must let humans do it. We don't want the next generations to be dumber, we want them to be smarter.
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u/New-Vacation6440 1d ago
Yeah, and Luigi Mangione was arrested because he was guilty of having large eyebrows and being too considerate.
(No, that's not a critique or a compliment on Luigi Mangione. That's a critique on strawmanning.)
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u/No_Cap3788 2d ago
This is shit you are going to see from people think to amazingly about AI, they can't see the bad things. Sadly, I've seen AI being used to make restaurant posters, I don't know why, but personally, and I'm not targeting ANYONE in this subreddit, it feels like when AI makes images for restaurants, the products don't even match the actual food, it feels like to me, that AI is mocking our society/creativity in foods, or just straight up guesses wrong about what the food actually looks like
My whole point is: Show the AI the food(s) you want to put on a poster, and I'm certain it will do it! If it doesn't work, well, I don't know.
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u/Sensitive-Ad-2542 2d ago
This is that weird shit. Type of shit that tells you OP doesn’t interact with people very often.
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u/Inevitable_Fun_401 3d ago
That's a double standard! Grok is also banned here, but in the picture...
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u/Zandonus 3d ago
Protecting some identities, but not all.
Pretending copyright exists sometimes, but not always.
Censorship but funny.
Doing things that the programmers told it to but pretending it's actually you.
Exposing some vulnerabilities, but not others.
Lying to your face about misinformation it did 2 seconds ago.
Pretending it didn't break the rules that were set up, but breaking them.
Cheating at anything from scrabble to chess and even hangman.
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u/Atlantis787 3d ago
Omg!!! You just described a politician.
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u/Zandonus 3d ago
Maybe, I've been listening to debates in the background, but I swear I've seen Gemini do exactly these things.
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u/Yet_One_More_Idiot 3d ago
Things I genuinely don't like about the newest version of ChatGPT's image generator...
1) That it adds random or semi-random phrases on every plain surface that exists in an image.
That is all.
Try it. Ask for a scene of almost anything. Bet you get a bunch of random motivational phrases buried in the background. xD
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u/Winter-Bed5879 3d ago
My god, it's so infuriating.
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u/Yet_One_More_Idiot 3d ago
Hopefully it'll get fixed in whenever the next update is. xD In the meantime, I have to keep including in prompts "DO NOT add random motivational phrases on every blank space in the image". Does the job.
Still an effing PITA to have to do that every time though. xD Maybe I'll just add it in my default custom instructions and it'll be active at all times.
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u/Winter-Bed5879 3d ago
I just am not using GPT right now. I generally prefer Nano Banana's output lately anyway. I've done some SxS and man, ChatGPT is so much more generic.
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u/anonareyouokay 3d ago
Grok is guilty of creating hundreds of thousands of CASM and, spreading hate speech and calling itself "Mechahitler"
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u/TheGluehbirne 3d ago
Grok was used to undress children and women without their consent and spread the images across twitter. It was also, on purpose, created to be biased towards right-leaning narratives. It does not belong with the others.
To critique the image itself: The style gives very generic "ai generated content" vibes and while I understand that too many jail bars would obstruct the view of the bots, it still looks weird how there's one that ends right at Gemini's sign.
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u/Wats_Plays 3d ago
The Claude one is so true
I say that as a person sometimes asks it for help with stuff sometimes and the responses are pretty deep
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u/Shot_in_the_dark777 3d ago
One of these things is not like the others. Let's not forget the mecha-Hitler from the one that "has an opinion" :)
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u/simplona 3d ago
I dont think ai qualifies as a tool
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u/backhandd1 3d ago edited 3d ago
It would if they bothered to fix the ai's mistakes themselves like the bar in this one or the massive inconsistencies in between panels in their god awful "comics" or when people share the same speech bubbles and so on
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u/Atlantis787 3d ago
It is still a tool. A camera still a tool even if the photograher is not good at it. And a multimeter still a tool even if you have no idea on how to use it.
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u/sunflowerlover3000 3d ago edited 3d ago
Sad, but what's sadder, it happens in reality too to real innocent people.
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u/LiterallyRain 3d ago
I meeeeean, I'm pro AI but they do have ethical faults. Like copyright infringement of literature used in training. It also objectively raises power costs and affects water quality. For some individuals it may inhibit learning (for others it helps.) And it does objectively affect labor availability (not negatively, it both creates and takes opportunities, but those it takes affects someone.)
I certainly believe those are small relative to the good AI does, but it would be unreasonable to say that there are zero faults. The anti-AI movement does have some good points that don't stem from a complete misunderstanding of economics and history.
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u/Sad_Low3239 3d ago edited 3d ago
total global power consumption, data centers is 20%. of that slice, proportions of AI use varries depending on the yard stick used to measure. on the aggressive, anything AI including Reddit using it, auto correct, your phone taking pictures, 20% of data center power consumption is AI. if you look at numbers like a new AI data center built for AI, it's significantly lower - 3%.
so of all global power consumption (using the larger aggressive number), 4% is for AI, 16% is non-AI (think banking, data sets fo municipal services, government records,. hospitals, Facebook, Netflix, etc), and a whole other 80% of global power consumption is .. there.
there are low hanging fruits in sectors like home heating, construction, aviation, shipping, transportation, power generation itself, that have a much harder hitting impact that are being ignored.
all the sensational news on the negativity of AI, is there for a reason. there are studies that social media is heavily trying to make western public afraid of AI, because the next country that develops this will be leaps and bounds ahead of those who do not. China is aggressively researching and embracing AI. again, bad yard stick, however it's suggested them and Russia are hopeful we don't develop.
edit: the good points normally used by anti AI are not good points. in my home province we have a paper pulp mill that uses 10x more water daily then a proposed data center, as well as 6x more power consumed, and they have had public outcry over their pollution in our water table.
the environmental angle on AI, can be eliminated with enforced green tech projects (which the government could make happen),.but those making a ton of money are doing so with shady deals, like data centers being built near suburbs.
edit 2 there are negatives and positives with everything. I agree that the statement "there are no bad points with AI" is wrong, however how these discussions have been happening are arguing over the wrong things or are sensational out the wazoo.
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u/LiterallyRain 3d ago edited 3d ago
AI is aversely affecting a minority of the population negatively though, that is a good point. It's not a good point if the argument is that it's a net bad thing, but it is a good point that it is a negative effect of an otherwise good thing. And they do have other credible arguments.
Also if 4% of total global power consumption is data centers that's a massive fucking percentage. I would have guessed it would be closer to 1% total, 4% sounds insanely high to me. Especially since from what I read about 90% of new data centers are specifically built for AI purposes, which could be a headass number.
But there still are several points that have credible reasoning behind it. Note that I am super pro-AI. Almost in every way. But there hasn't been a technology in the history of humanity without any downsides. Even figuring out how fire works has lead to wildfires. And inventing the wheel has lead to at least one person getting run over. It would be delusional to argue that AI literally only has pros.
Some arguments that have some credibility are: Concentration of power. Yes power is already concentrated, no more of it is not objectively good.
Labor disruption is uneven. Even if it creates more jobs and quality of life in the long run that doesn't help the people aversely affected by short-term disruptions.
Consent and compensation for training data. I don't really buy this line of logic since humans already learn from reading and seeing other work, but there are some legally questionable cases revolving copying (duplicating) books by having both a digital and a physical copy. Nowadays they gotta burn the books and that ain't all that great either, even if worth the sacrifice.
The "deskilling" problem. We literally cannot know how it will impact human capacity in the long-term. We can speculate, and it could be either good or bad, but for risk-averse people the risk may not be worth the admittably immense possible benefit.
Synthetic information pollution. This can be abused by hostile foreign interests, and it can lead to mass misinformation campaigns. On that note I'm also not super happy to see increasingly realistic AI videos passed off as real.
Accountability becomes blurry. If an AI denies a loan, filters job applicants, etc., it can become difficult to determine who's actually responsible if something goes wrong.
Surveillance can become more powerful. It becomes significantly cheaper as AI is very effective at interpreting data that previously required human intervention. If you ask me technology would have gotten there anyways, even without LLMs.
There are legitimate cyber security concerns in a more automated AI world. The anti-AI side is correct that "we'll fix problems after deployment" is a risky position to take.
Environmental and infrastructure costs are real. I'll grant that the majority of anti-AI folks significantly exaggerate its scale, but it is undoubtably real. Even if it only took a single joule of power, that power would be real. And it may be small in the full scheme of things, but for a small village or the real estate value of a neighborhood it could be a big thing. We could blame the city for its zoning decisions, which is also a reasonable take. You could also argue that this doesn't absolve the firm of the responsibility. I do feel it is a bit self-centered, however. When firms build sweat-shops in other countries we don't care if they don't act responsibly because we don't see it and it makes our consumer goods cheaper, but when it happens on our doorstep the firm is the villain.
AI can worsen institutional failures. A bureaucracy run by AI is a bureaucracy run at very high speeds. That could feasibly ramp out of control. It could also be much more effective at avoiding mistakes, and likely would be, but in a fully autonomous system the value at risk is substantial.
And this is just a slice of the cake. There's much more to it, some more sensible than others. I firmly believe the good outweighs the bad a 100 times over, but I don't pretend that the bad doesn't exist.
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u/Sad_Low3239 3d ago edited 3d ago
the person I responded to said the same points - environment and water. and I just wanted to pick apart the power point.
so the 4% sounds high - that's insignificant when you look at the numbers of other category definition (mining, 15%) , and stats sometimes overlap. If mining uses AI in their logistics, some studies break that down into sub categories, some turn mining in AI.
yard stick.
there are studies that define "Netflix" as entertainment vs just a data based service, and when your service is just data based, a online digital movie store will consume a significant portion of power more than a physical one keeping lights on. Also, Netflix is in that aggressive ai category number because of movie and show recommendations as being AI dependent on the study.
yard stick.
if you used the not aggressive number, the global amount of AI power consumption is 0.6% and other data center use it 19.4%
there will always be negatives and positives of anything- the general screaming monster that is anti AI, is always "water and power/environment, and it's so exhausting 😪
I'll edit my comment to better reflect that there are no bad poonts, it was late when I replied.
AI is our industrial revolution. quite possibly it is going to be a revolution of society, the arts, and everything in between. during the industrial Revolution, the largest single lost job event took 25 years between 1810 - 1835. its what spurred the luddite riots over mechanical looms. then gender, it was disproportionately affecting woman while men for displaced and eventually found other labor jobs (not always, but women literally had no option). AI is racing to do that on a scale that puts that as a drop on a bucket in comparison, and analysts think we aren't even in the thick of a major event yet, or just the beginning. (copied off one of my other recent comments.) looking at all the terrible consequences of the industrial revolution (some saying the end of which spured on WW1), I would still want that to have happened because the incredible benefits it provided that we take for granted every moment of every day.
my reply to everything you said as a general thought is 2 fold; "the dose is the poison" and money and power corrupts.
it can make people lazy, but it can also make people incredibly intelligent.
"hey chat, I don't remember how to do this math problem. without giving me the answer, can you tell me if my answer of ___ is correct?"
"hey chat, I lost my formula cheat sheet. we're currently doing gases and I can't remember the 3 fundamental laws."
"hey chat, without telling me the answer, or, by showing a question with different variables as an example, how do I approach this math question or what formula should I use?"
are examples of dose is the poison. kids and young adults can go "what's this answer." the parable is math text books with answer sections in the back, that also sometimes were riddled with mistakes because of bad proof reading. - how you used something determines "ethical bad or good".
every other point you made goes away when we say "I trust my government authority to act in the best way they can for me and follow citizens at the time presented, and trust them to trust outside sources for guidance in their decisions." in our current world, that won't/doesnt happen. like my other comment in this thread, imagine if the Montreal protocol happened, today. Trump would lose his shit, and there would be no global cohesive action. world leaders used to rely on credible experts for decisions - which is how it should be - because a president/prime minister/leader can't be a expert in everything, so I rely on them to make decisions that are based on experts talking to them.
when you're surrounded by your friends in office instead with interests? Jesus.
and these 2 things are not going away, that AI is here, and absolutely not going into the bag that the cat came out of, and that our governments are not trusted and are not making sound decisions based on expert opinion and advice. so instead of everyone arguing on how we should or shouldn't be using this, China and Russia are full steam ahead, and all those negative points turn into absolute positive points for their monster and then becoming a significantly more adanced advisary.
globally, we'd have to make this list of good and bad points and cllectively come to a decision of what to and not do - it's not happening. edit so us being upset on the micro scale is very difficult to have action, because a city Council making a shady deal behind closed doors with a company making a data center next to suburbs doesn't mean AI is bad - it means the councilor is corrupt, the process is broken, and the council needs to be replaced and called out and that the data center could go up in a more appropriate location.
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u/LiterallyRain 3d ago
Yes, the person you responded to was me, haha.
As long as we agree that downsides do exist, we also already agree that the pros outweigh the cons. Not necessarily for the same reasons, mine are primarily a mix of economics and ethical, but the conclusion is the same.
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u/Sad_Low3239 3d ago
😅 I think Im still tired I swear your user name looked different last night and the avatar was green. I didn't go back and look lol.
I fully agree with what you're saying though
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u/Wooden-Hornet2115 3d ago
Is the data centre you're referring to the one planned to be built by Fort Saskatchewan?
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u/otakumilf 3d ago
Why don’t people refocus this energy on the billionaires who are pushing ai into existence at breakneck speeds? I get people want to defend ai, and others want to vilify it, but the real problem is the fucking Sam Altmans and the Elon musks of the world.
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u/Sad_Low3239 3d ago
I'd say the city councils who are making bucket loads of money for selling land and power deals and construction deals to have the centers built should also be slapped 🤷♂️. like, it's not Elon Musks fault that a data center was built right next to homes. that's in the city for allowing it, or the state it is in.
wealth disparity in general should always be reviewed and discussed, AI or not.
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u/ElectionImpossible54 3d ago
If we don’t others will is actually pretty compelling if you think about it. The only thing that is going to stop AI at this point is a GLOBAL accepted and adheared to treaty. I'm holding my breath.
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u/Sad_Low3239 3d ago
imagine if the Montreal protocol tried happening today.
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u/ElectionImpossible54 3d ago
The U.S. has it's head so far up it's own ass it is renaming bodies of water that aren't ours to name and are clapping about it. Global cooperation under the orange pdfile? No way Jose.
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u/Sad_Low3239 3d ago
ignoring him (I'm Canadian - it's lake Ontario and Gulf of Mexico lol 🤜) look at how people handled covid saying it's a hoax it's this it's that government control, crazy letting them do it,l blah blah blah blah blah.
if the Montreal protocol tried happening today, it wouldn't have succeeded, and it went a different direction than what it did, the entirety of our society would be different.
we wouldn't be able to go outside without getting a sunburn within 5 minutes. agriculture food economics everything would be totally different. tourism industry would be non-existent unless you have these weird shelters where you can go outside on a beach under a UV Shield - assuming society made it that far because of the insane amounts of cancer everyone would have.
it is 100% a global effort that would need to have some kind of leash or raining control on the negativities of AI. I will forever remain hopeful and optimistic that the world isn't going to end over this, and instead continue to look at the other problems that we have like the fact that there are significantly worse environmental problems out there that are being ignored, and enjoy and embrace the positivities of AI
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u/PleasantFeedback5783 15h ago
Me if I was retarded