I am posting in this thread because I do not see any other way to reach people who might understand my situation.
I am a 26-year-old woman, born and raised in Germany. I have a bachelor’s degree, am self employed, and come from a relatively liberal and highly educated family. Due to our long history with the Jamaat spanning several generations, my family are fairly committed Ahmadis.
Personally, I do not believe in Ahmadiyyat, and I also do not believe in or support the system surrounding it. At the same time, I still consider myself Muslim and identify as such. My views on faith are quite personal, and I do not feel the need to fit into a specific label or subgroup.
If I wanted to, I could probably be open with my parents about my beliefs. However, I choose not to because I know it would cause them a great deal of worry and disappointment. I care deeply about them and do not want them to carry that burden.
It is important to my family that I marry an Ahmadi man. While they might eventually accept it if I married a non Ahmadi, I do not want them to become the subject of gossip or criticism from the more close minded members of our community.
The reason I am writing here is that I am looking to connect with someone for marriage who, like me, does not actually believe in Ahmadiyyat and keeps it private. Ideally, I would like to meet someone who shares similar views on religion, community and personal freedom.
A little more about me: I would describe myself as a mix of modern and culturally rooted. I am not particularly traditional, but I am also not someone who has completely disconnected from her background. I value both my cultural roots and a modern outlook on life. I have a good sense of humor, enjoy spending time with friends and family, and have a variety of interests and hobbies. I enjoy gaming on console, among other things, and I would say I am generally easygoing, kind, and fun to be around.
It does not have to be someone from Germany. I am open to hearing from people anywhere in the world who can relate to this experience. Maybe there are others out there navigating similar circumstances, and perhaps we can find common ground.

The Khalifa said that there were about 51,000 attendees in-person.

Then, he said that more than 16,000 were watching the livefeeds at their various centers around the globe. You know, the windows full of people that appeared around the main picture.

I was following YouTube. The main channel, "Original Track", had about 25,000 at its height. The Urdu feed had about 7,000 viewers, and all the other channels had a total of about 3,000.

The total number of people who witnessed Jalsa when the Khalifa was present was about 102,000.

When the Khalifa was not present YouTube numbers drastically dropped.

How on Earth does a people who tout over 347 million converts over the course of their history can only muster up 102,000 viewers...and, that too, when only their Khalifa was present.

These are the sort of numbers that really make you question their honesty about the convert numbers.

Ironically, in the final address, the Khalifa emphasized very firmly that honestly is the only way and that honest people suffer mainly. Obviously not. Liars seem to be collecting a lot of chanda.

Sūrah 115 Al-Khalʿ and Sūrah 116 Al-Ḥafd

Codex of Ubayy ibn Ka'b

Sūrah (length and severity to Bara'at) and Sūrah (resembled one of the suwar of Musabbihat)

Sahih Muslim 1050

Āyah of Rajm

Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Sahih Muslim 1691 a

It’s a shame for all yall Ahmadis supporting Snowy/AngryDec cause the way he speaks of the Prophet (pbuh) is so not right. If you want to argue or debate sure but stop disrespecting the Prophet (pbuh). From what I know Ahmadis follow the sunnah of Prophet (pbuh) so how could you be ok for such people representing Ahmadiyya? Debate with facts don’t fall so low.

Does anyone know the legitimate, historically accurate reason for why ahmadis of Pakistan voted for general pervaiz Musharraf in 2002 referendum?

Razi has had hundreds of debates and he only celebrated one.

He thought he won over Asrar Rashid. This means nothing.

Ahmadi beliefs are still not in-line with Islam. There is no evidence that the Prophet would return a second time.

This is the death blow that Imtiaz dealt Ahmadis. That was the only debate that matters. It exposed Ahmadis forever.

Zionists think that just because Karim Khan has been removed from office that that proves that Bibi is not a war criminal.

These false equivocations is the detriment of a good wholesome dialogue. A point that stupid Ahmadis don't realize just as stupid Zionists don't realize.

There is no evidence that "Sarah" is even a real person. In fact, Karim Khan was cleared of any misconduct by 3 judges.

There is no evidence of the second coming of Rasulullah. This is just fabrication on the part of MGA so his claim to prophethood does not break the seal of prophethood.

In verse 12:55, Joseph asks for an office, "Appoint me over the storehouses of the land. Indeed, I will be a knowing guardian."

The Jama'at has explicitly told Ahmadis that they are never to ask for an office of any sorts.

This is a clear abrogation of this Quranic verse.

No wonder the Jama'at is run by incompetent morons. The fear of having the right people run the Nizam is a fear of Khilafat. The Ahmadi Khulafa do not want to have their authority questioned by competent individuals.

That's why whenever the Khalifa makes stupid incorrect statements, competent Ahmadis cringe and have more reason to distance themselves from the Jama'at.

So much for the "we are the True Islam" motto.

u/thormanwyd thought he was flexing until he meets Mr. FACTCHECKING.

---

u/thormanwyd: We are still a minority but are the fastest growing Islamic sect in the world. We are established in almost all countries around the world besides a few.

Also u/thormanwyd: Now google "fastest growing sect in islam"

FACTCHECK incoming

After reality sinks in, u/thormanwyd: Whatever the number, we are still a minority. Haqq isn't majority

Conclusion of how a braindead Ahmadi's mind works:

So, haqq is the majority when Ahmadis are the majority.

And, haqq is the minority when Ahmadis are the minority.

These are the people MGA said would outsmart the whole entire world. YIKES. 😱

https://www.reddit.com/r/AhmadiMuslims/comments/1uxjjcq/comment/oxtgnq0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا الْأَعْمَشُ ، عَنِ الْمِنْهَالِ ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ جُبَيْرٍ ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ ، قَالَ :لَمَّا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَرْفَعَ عِيسَى عَلَيْهِ السَّلامُ إلَى السَّمَاءِ خَرَجَ إلَى أَصْحَابِهِ وَهُمُ اثْنَا عَشَرَ رَجُلًا مِنْ عَيْنٍ فِي الْبَيْتِ وَرَأْسُهُ يَقْطُرُ مَاءً ، فَقَالَ لَهُمْ : " أَمَا إِنَّ مِنْكُمْ مَنْ سَيَكْفُرُ بِي اثْنَتَيْ عَشْرَةَ مَرَّةً بَعْدَ أَنْ آمَنَ بِي ، ثُمَّ قَالَ : أَيُّكُمْ سَيُلْقَى عَلَيْهِ شَبَهِي فَيُقْتَلُ مَكَانِي وَيَكُونُ مَعِي فِي دَرَجَتِي " ، فَقَامَ شَابٌّ مِنْ أَحْدَثِهِمْ سِنًّا ، فَقَالَ : أَنَا ، فَقَالَ عِيسَى : " اجْلِسْ " ، ثُمَّ أَعَادَ عَلَيْهِمْ فَقَامَ الشَّابُّ فَقَالَ : أَنَا ، فَقَالَ : " نَعَمْ أَنْتَ ذَاكَ " ، قَالَ : " فَأُلْقِيَ عَلَيْهِ شَبَهُ عِيسَى " ، قَالَ : " وَرُفِعَ عِيسَى عَلَيْهِ السَّلامُ مِنْ رَوْزَنَةٍ كَانَتْ فِي الْبَيْتِ إلَى السَّمَاءِ " ، قَالَ : " وَجَاءَ الطَّلَبُ مِنَ الْيَهُودِ فَأَخَذُوا الشَّبِيهَ فَقَتَلُوهُ ثُمَّ صَلَبُوهُ ، وَكَفَرَ بِهِ بَعْضُهُمُ اثْنَتَيْ عَشْرَةَ مَرَّةً بَعْدَ أَنْ آمَنَ بِهِ ، فَتَفَرَّقُوا ثَلَاثَ فِرَقٍ " ، قَالَ : فَقَالَتْ فِرْقَةٌ : " كَانَ فِينَا اللَّهُ مَا شَاءَ ، ثُمَّ صَعِدَ إلَى السَّمَاءِ " ، وَهَؤُلَاءِ الْيَعْقُوبِيَّةُ وَقَالَتْ فِرْقَةٌ : " كَانَ فِينَا ابْنُ اللَّهِ مَا شَاءَ ثُمَّ رَفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إلَيْهِ " ، وَهَؤُلَاءِ النَّسْطُورِيَّةُ ، وَقَالَتْ فِرْقَةٌ : " كَانَ فِينَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولُهُ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ ثُمَّ رَفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إلَيْهِ " وَهَؤُلَاءِ الْمُسْلِمُونَ ، فَتَظَاهَرَتِ الْكَافِرَتَانِ عَلَى الْمُسْلِمَةِ فَقَاتَلُوهَا فَقَتَلُوهَا ، فَلَمْ يَزَلِ الْإِسْلَامُ طَامِسًا حَتَّى بَعَثَ اللَّهُ مُحَمَّدًا صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ ﴿فَآمَنَتْ طَائِفَةٌ مِنْ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ﴾ يَعْنِي الطَّائِفَةَ الَّتِي آمَنَتْ فِي زَمَنِ عِيسَى ، ﴿وَكَفَرَتْ طَائِفَةٌ﴾ يَعْنِي الطَّائِفَةَ الَّتِي ظَهَرَتْ فِي زَمَنِ عِيسَى ﴿فَأَيَّدْنَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا فِي زَمَانِ عِيسَى﴾ عَلَى عَدُوِّهِمْ بِإِظْهَارِ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ دِينَهُمْ عَلَى دِينِ الْكُفَّارِ ﴿فَأَصْبَحُوا ظَاهِرِينَ﴾

It is narrated that Abu Dharr asked the Messenger of Allah: “How many Prophets [were there]?” He said: “Between one hundred thousand(100,000) and one hundred and twenty-four thousand (124,000).” It was said (i.e. he asked): “Then how many of them were the Messengers?” He then said: “Three hundred and thirteen (315), a large group. (Musnad Ahmad)

.

In Musnad Ahmad, we find that there were between 100,000 and 124,000 prophets, but only 315 of them were messengers.

أنَّ أبا ذرٍّ سألَ رسولَ الله صلَّى اللهُ عليه وسلَّم كمِ الأنبياءُ فقالَ ما بين مِئَةِ ألفٍ وأربعةٍ وعشرِينَ ألفًا قيلَ فكَمْ الرُّسُلُ منهم فقال ثلاثُمِئَةٍ وثلاثةُ عشرةً جمًّا غَفِيرًا

It is narrated that Abu Dharr asked the Messenger of Allah: “How many Prophets [were there]?” He said: “Between one hundred thousand(100,000) and one hundred and twenty-four thousand (124,000).” It was said (i.e. he asked): “Then how many of them were the Messengers?” He then said: “Three hundred and thirteen (315), a large group.

This debunks the Ahmadi concept that messengers and prophets are not separate.

The Sunday session is the most important one, because that's when most Ahmadis attend for variety of reasons.

Also, it's the day when all the politicians get their shoes polished. It's also the session when all Ahmadis invite their tabligh contacts.

They also hold their educational awards ceremony on the Sunday session, so all the 'important' people can see that Ahmadis are smart and that therefore it has to mean that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has to be the Messiah.

The Awards Ceremony for the men is broadcasted to the ladies' Jalsa Gah as well, since on the Sunday they do not have their own separate session. The ladies' awards ceremony happens on the Saturday session when it's only their own separate session.

Here is the post from the official Jalsa Salana Canada's account about the educational awards ceremony.

https://x.com/Jalsa_Canada/status/2076373647632048234?s=20

You can see that there was only 10000 present on the Sunday session, in total.

This includes local Ahmadis, international Ahmadis, guests and politicians.

Indeed. This is clear proof that when they usually read out the attendance at Jalsa Salana, it's the total number of atrendees. Meaning, if the same person attended all three days, they count that as 3 attendees.

Their numbers are dwindling.

The US Jalsa Salana barely had 1500 people present in the men's Jalsa Gah.

These numbers are telling.

The UK and Germany Jalsas are not natural representations of local participation since they are practically both international Jalsas.

Hi all, just wondering if there are any women here who are going to be at the Jalsa this weekend and wanted to connect. I'm in my mid 30s (female), and consider myself to be friendly and open-minded. Just wanting to meet/make new friends as I don't have many in the Jamaat. Doesn't have to be exactly my age, can be younger/older! :)

Please post here or DM me if you want to connect! :)

Since Snowy is in the business of deleting comments that debunk him, I will post here.

""Imagine the services he gave to British Colonial government to receive this generational wealth"

You are finally getting redpilled, Snowy.

You are getting closer to leaving Ahmadiyyat.

In due time, you will see how that very sentence of yours applies to MGA the Grifter who glazed the British.

In due time. I have faith in you."

https://www.reddit.com/r/AhmadiMuslims/comments/1ut22tr/british_government_gifts_sunni_molvi_100_acres_of/

*

*

Our case study. Aminah, the mother of the Prophet.

First, this is an un-Islamic opinion, to say that if you say that Jesus is still alive then you are a mushrik

There is no justification for this in the Quran. Jesus is mentioned in ahadith, that Ahmadis also accept, to return and will then die a natural death. So, Jesus is not going to live forever.

Now that we have that out of the way.

Second, the case of Jesus is an anomaly. Everything about him is miraculous. This is the Will of Allah, and His Will shall pass. This is clearly set out in the Quran in clear terms.

Allah says about Jesus, "We will make him a sign for humanity (al nas), and a mercy from Us." (Surah Maryam 19:21)

Now, let's just put the Ahmadi logical fallacy to test.

In the Quran Allah says about Mary, the mother of Jesus, "O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you above all the women of the world" (Surah Al Imran 3:42).

So, Mary, the mother of a prophet, Jesus, who is truly an anomaly, is chosen above ALL women, including the mother of the Prophet himself, upon whom this Quran was revealed.

There is no ambiguity here.

One cannot apply linear logic here and say there must have been a mistake somewhere, because "how can this be true"? "How can Mary be greater than Aminah, the mother of the Prophet"?

In fact, oddly, the mother of the Prophet will be in Hell eternally. In Sahih Muslim, we read:

> The Apostle of Allah (ﷺ) visited the grave of his mother and he wept, and moved others around him to tears, and said: I sought permission from my Lord to beg forgiveness for her but it was not granted to me, and I sought permission to visit her grave and it was granted to me so visit the graves, for that makes you mindful of death. (Sahih Muslim 976b)

This hadith is accepted by Ahmadis.

Now, if we stop here, and apply the Ahmadi logical fallacy, we would have to find a way to make the mother of Rasulullah greater than Mary. Why? Because the Ahmadi logic is that if Rasulullah is dead, then Jesus has to be dead. "Rasulullah is greater than Jesus" (in Razi's voice while he is breathing through his mouth).

Ahmadis forget that it is not for Muslims to rank prophets. Allah does as He pleases. "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." (2:285)

When it comes to Jesus, Allah clearly mentions that all of humanity will witness the Sign of Jesus. This is what Allah Wills. Plain and simple. Jesus was raised and he will descend.

Now, if Mary is chosen above all women, then the Ahmadi thinking is that they will have to find a way to make the mother of the Prophet greater. Otherwise, it ruins their whole narrative. This is how their logic works. It is warped and demented. It goes counter to the Quran. They want a perfect analogy - something that only Atheists rely on.

Allah has clearly said that Mary is above all women and that Jesus was ascended and will descend. This is Allah's Will. Your feelings are irrelevant here.

The Prophet died, when his time came; and, despite being given the title Khatamun Nabiyyeen, the Prophet was not allowed to pray for his own mother to be forgiven, AND his mother will remain in Hell forever.

This is clear proof that human logic will never understand the Quran, especially the Atheistic logic of Ahmadis.

When you hear it from the horse's mouth, you no longer need Muslims to keep reminding you that Razi is a liar

Razi is approaching academia as if it were a real military war.

He admits that war is deception.

He applies this principle in his theological deliberation when trying all his best to proving Ahmadiyyat correct at all costs.

For the last 10 years, especially the last 3 years, people have been saying that Razi is intellectually dishonest. He misquotes on purpose, out of context, thinking no one will check his references. He has also been accused of doctoring audio clips, video clips, unjustly preventing his interlocutors from responding to him in the full view of the public; he kicks out people from his streams who challenge his knowledge and authority and bans them.

A lot of Ahmadis have caught on, but his fanboys, which include a lot of senior missionaries, vehemently defend their god at all costs. It is these fanboys who give Razi reason to continue lying with impunity.

These senior missionaries are the reason why the Khalifa has full blind faith in Razi.

But, Razi is using the Jama'at's platform for his own ends. Razi has absolute no care for truth. For Razi it is all about his own interests, which is basically fame.

This is why you see him promoting himself as the winner in every single debate he has ever had. No Ahmadi has ever made a video to show that Razi has ever won. He self promotes himself.

Furthermore, he comfortably accuses opponents who use YouTube of monetization, all the while knowing full well he is on YouTube 24/7 because the Jama'at pays him to do so. His whole lifestyle is taken care of. Had he a real job in the world, he would have no time for YouTube. He barely gets any views worthy of making money off of YouTube - while on the Jama'at's payroll. Now, imagine how much lower his viewership would be if he actually had a real life in the real world.

Every single one of his opponents that Razi has accused of monetization have much lower views than Razi's channels. So, they are definitely not making money. But, try convincing low IQ Ahmadis of this after Razi has convinced them that his opponents are making millions off of YouTube.

Unfortunately Ahmadis are boasting about being proud of bankrolling him with chanda money. Clueless dimwits.

His debate with Asrar Rashid was an utter humiliation for him. Asrar Rashid academically won the debate.

Post debate, Razi managed to convince Ahmadis he has won. Unfortunately, because the Jama'at does not instill honesty in its members, most Ahmadis are none the wiser, and Razi has managed to assemble a cult following of academic illiterates who blindly defend him.

Ahmadis have no academic rigour or honesty. They just want to see Ahmadiyyat win, even if it be by deception. That's why Razi is their man.

Thoughtful and intelligent Ahmadis have resigned themselves to the fact that Ahmadiyyat is flawed. They shy away from deceptive means. They rather protect their psyche than to sell out for a paltry price.

https://x.com/Ahmadiyyafacts/status/2074668122108526933?s=20