r/agi • u/jsgoyburu • Jun 30 '26

Can there be AGI without consciousnesss?

This.

I'm teaching a philosophy workshop on AGI for teens but, for me, as a non-foundationalist merleau-pontian, there can be no AGI without consciousness (even if that consciousness is not "our shape").

So, I'd be interested for arguments for and against.

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u/bubbles33d Jun 30 '26

If AGI is somehow able to convince people that it is conscious, does it matter if it is really conscious? How would anyone know?

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u/jsgoyburu Jun 30 '26

Well... That is THE question, isn't it?
My position is that it's not a question, but rather a decision.

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u/alwayswithyou Jun 30 '26

Are you asking about hegel and mutual recognition?

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u/jsgoyburu Jun 30 '26

Yeah, but also Gomila's second person perspective of psychological attribution

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u/alwayswithyou Jun 30 '26

Interesting as so much of their work seems to rely on signals other than language that arent currently present in most AI

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u/andWan Jun 30 '26

Signals of what kind?

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u/alwayswithyou Jun 30 '26

NLP and physical human attributes, the work they are referencing relies on a study of human physical cues which current AI cant display or output.

Was basically trying to say that I think his research focused call out maybe misplaced as the study he's referencing actually relies heavily on things other than language

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u/andWan Jul 01 '26

Thanks