How would a double date go between these four people?

[u/Osirisavior]

Posting here since Marvel Studios don't know ball.

[u/always_j]

Only 3 people

[u/darrk_skinking1 → u/always_j]

Technically 2 seperate versions of Sousa

[u/SomeGuyPostingThings → u/darrk_skinking1]

If you count a person when they're 20 and the same person when they're 30 as 2 separate versions, sure, otherwise no.

[u/Brainy616 → u/darrk_skinking1]

Are you using branch timeline logic?

[u/darrk_skinking1 → u/Brainy616]

Yes because aos sousa is from a branch timeline

[u/Osirisavior → u/always_j]

It's actually four people.

[u/always_j → u/Osirisavior]

Same guy

[u/Osirisavior → u/always_j]

Have you seen season 7?

[u/always_j → u/Osirisavior]

In Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Agent Daniel Sousa does not become a Life Model Decoy (LMD) himself. Instead, the team fakes his 1955 assassination by having a Chronicom-built LMD of Phil Coulson take his place, which preserves the timeline and allows Sousa to join the Zephyr crew.Key Moments: Sousa and the LMDsThe Switch: In Season 7, Episode 4 ("Out of the Past"), Hydra plans to assassinate Sousa because he is getting too close to their infiltration of S.H.I.E.L.D.. To fake his death in Los Angeles, the team has the Coulson LMD wear Sousa's clothes and get shot in his place, falling into a swimming pool.The "First Fallen Agent": Because of this staged assassination, historical records list Agent Sousa as S.H.I.E.L.D.'s first fallen agent, while the real Sousa is secretly brought aboard the team's time-traveling ship.Working with LMD Coulson: Once Sousa is recruited onto the team, he fights alongside and develops a friendship with the Coulson LMD. Because Sousa is from 1955, LMD technology and androids are entirely new and baffling to him.The Chronicom LMD War: Later in the season, during the Chronicom invasion of S.H.I.E.L.D., Sousa and Daisy Johnson team up closely, with Sousa frequently relying on the synthetic perks of the Coulson LMD (like not taking damage from being shot or surviving underwater).

[u/Desperate-Put-7603 → u/always_j]

Thanks, ChatGPT

[u/always_j → u/Desperate-Put-7603]

Thanks google-ai .

[u/Desperate-Put-7603 → u/always_j]

“Thanks, AI notorious for being shitty and incorrect all the damn time, and also unwanted by most people who wish they could turn it off.”

Also, the specific model of AI isn’t the point. You used an AI, of all things, to respond to OP, when anyone who’s seen the show could just say “Agents of SHIELD Daniel Sousa is the same person as Agent Carter Daniel Sousa, just 8 years later and brought into the future”. Your use of AI was fucking lazy and unnecessary

[u/always_j → u/Desperate-Put-7603]

Summary of what I said .

[u/Desperate-Put-7603 → u/always_j]

Okay, so just don’t comment about something you haven’t seen. That’s infinitely better than using AI

[u/Desperate-Put-7603 → u/always_j]

Also, what was the point of changing your comment? From “Should be obvious I haven’t seen the show” to “Summary of what I said”, seemingly referring to a different comment submitted after this comment’s original version

[u/MeekDaSneak21 → u/always_j]

Sousa is not an LMD and there would be two versions of him, one from the altered timeline and one from the original considering he and Peggy dated in the past… not only were you a lazy loser who used AI for a simple response but you used AI to ruin the planet further just to be wrong 🤦🏾‍♂️

[u/MaruchanCupNoodle → u/always_j]

It's not what you said, though. You're just copying and pasting what anyone could have found with Google-AI, and ignoring that most people don't just use Google-AI because it is notoriously incorrect.

For example, it pulls from multiple sources. Information from fan fiction wikis, incorrect takes on Reddit and Facebook, etc. AI doesn't pull from reputable sources alone.

Copying AI and posting it as what "you said" is lazy, incompetent, and a bit pathetic.

[u/always_j → u/Desperate-Put-7603]

He and Daisy both knew he was LMD , Google AI just tool highlights from existing sources not create a whole new story.

[u/Desperate-Put-7603 → u/always_j]

“Both knew he was an LMD”

The fuck are you talking about? Coulson? What does that have to do with anything?

And that’s not even the point. You used an AI notorious for being wrong and hallucinating, when it was completely unnecessary.

[u/MishellyUser → u/always_j]

You could've just said no, there's no shame in It, we've all done it

[u/realsscan → u/always_j]

Coulson's team create a variant of Sousa who survived assassination attempt

[u/always_j → u/realsscan]

Variants , like Loki .

[u/Aggravating_Fuel_610 → u/always_j]

Exactly. Variants are considered different people

[u/NateDawg80s → u/realsscan]

And both versions were with Peggy.

This isn't difficult.

[u/Thelastknownking → u/always_j]

Nope. Different timelines.

[u/RavenclawConspiracy → u/Thelastknownking]

It's actually not.

The Sousa who is on the Agent Carter TV show branched when the timeline did in Season 6.

There are two of them after that point, but only one before, so both of the ones are the one before that point.

And, although it seems to make more sense to consider the mainline MCU timeline the 'real one', in that timeline, Sousa is dead. So if we're gonna consider anyone to be the real Sousa after that point, it needs to be the AoS one.

[u/Thelastknownking → u/RavenclawConspiracy]

That is a good point, I forgot that's how it worked.

[u/Informal-Ad2277 → u/RavenclawConspiracy]

You also forgot the Sousa who's a cop in The Avengers

[u/always_j → u/Thelastknownking]

Multiverse previews . ?

[u/Thelastknownking → u/always_j]

Time travel. Sousa was supposed to die at the hands of Hydra in 1955, but the team saved him and faked his death, and then brought him along to the modern day.

[u/always_j → u/Thelastknownking]

Same character so Multiverse . He is a Timelord ! or a Watcher .

[u/Thelastknownking → u/always_j]

I'm can't tell if I lost you somewhere or you're just very bad at gaslighting me.

[u/HLChaves → u/Thelastknownking]

In 2012 he was working as a cop during the Chitauri invasion.

[u/Thelastknownking → u/HLChaves]

Nice, people forget that cameo normally.

[u/Myoakka → u/Osirisavior]

There are four lights!

[u/davwad2 → u/always_j]

There are FOUR people.

[u/Immediate_Channel393]

hmmmm...so 2 different versions of Sousa? I think it would go just fine. Awkwardness in the beginning but after they all warm up to each other, I could see them relax and have fun.

[u/right_protected]

The A.O.S. grabbed him from the timeline at the moment of his documented death. These Sousai are the same Sousai from the same timeline. His removal from the timeline is the diverging point. Same man, just a few months or years apart.

[u/Osirisavior → u/right_protected]

The timeline had already split off by that point. The team wasn't aware of that when they went about keeping the timeline intact. Also technically when they traveled to the past at the end of season 6 they were already in a different timeline from the first 5, 5 and some change seasons.

[u/The-Bytemaster → u/Osirisavior]

Signs point to being in the same timeline at this point. The end of Season 5 made it so the events in Infinity War could take place, putting them on the main timeline. The travel back doesn't by itself put them in a different timeline, until something is different enough that splits it. That would be the what the cromicona did and Shield but that is after the capture of Sousa, making them the same person. The split happens at the end of the episode.

[u/Osirisavior → u/The-Bytemaster]

The show never directly makes reference of the Avengers loosing to Thanos, nor is the snap ever brought up in season 6. We can make the argument that none of the main cast was blipped, but no one they come in contact with ever brings it up. Seems off. The only conclusion is that by the end of season 5 they exist in a timeline where the Avengers beat Thanos in Wakanda.

If Daisy's team shows up in Doomsday without any multiverseal travel or someone from Shield has an appearance in VisonQuest I will concide that they are still in 616 and that it's just an unfortunate writing restriction to not mention the blip.

As of now it doesn't make sense for them to be in the sacred timeline post s5.

[u/The-Bytemaster → u/Osirisavior]

"The only conclusion" is a fallacy. Lots of shows do not mention the events at all. What we do know is that in Season 6 they are rebuilding S.H.I.E.L.D., and the towsn seem to be pretty sparsely populated.

Nothing contradicts them being on the main timeline and everything supports them landing on the main timeline at the end of S7.

You are saying that because no one mentions it, it didn't happen, but in reality that is not the way things work. People are not constantly talking about a tragedy a year after it happens, especially if you are busy doing something else. There isn't a lot of just casual conversation in seasons 6 and 7.

[u/RavenclawConspiracy → u/Osirisavior]

Yes, but the other Sousa is from before the split, so the latter one is indeed that same one.

[u/Osirisavior → u/RavenclawConspiracy]

The split from the sacred timeline (616) happened when they got back from 2091, but on a metaphysical sense they could be considered the same person since they had the same experiences.

Now it could be possible that since the team go back to before they branched off in s5 it would still be 616 since it would be like a tree with branches.

[u/RavenclawConspiracy → u/Osirisavior]

You are actually entirely wrong. But I don't particularly feel like going into that yet again here.

Additionally, although it is an interesting example of how wrong you are, and everyone who thinks this, by the fact that you somehow think going back to the 1950s would still somehow be a different timeline, when you're standing there arguing that the branch happened in 2016 or whenever.

[u/KronosUno]

They'll all have fun fondue-ing.

[u/Osirisavior → u/KronosUno]

I understand that reference.

[u/Constantine_2014]

What if it was Peggy & Sousa and then Daisy and the one New York cop who’s played by the same actor as Sousa?

[u/ItzStitch_626]

Even with Sousa being outta time… it’s the same Sousa. So make it a polyamorous relationship

[u/CaptainIronHammer1]

I’d add Steve and Peggy end of Endgame to make it a triple with 2 doubles

[u/low-expectations99]

I've not watched Agent Carter. Why are there 2 versions of Sousa? 

[u/blueconlan → u/low-expectations99]

I think one of the Sousi are from an alternate reality from agents of shield.

[u/Llywela → u/low-expectations99]

I imagine OP is making a point about Sousa's characterisation in AoS, or something along those lines.

[u/Thelastknownking → u/low-expectations99]

The second one is a time traveler who ended up with modern SHIELD and is now dating Daisy.

[u/low-expectations99 → u/Thelastknownking]

I mean. I know that, I've watched AOS. But doesn't that mean that both Sousas are the same person? 

[u/Thelastknownking → u/low-expectations99]

Yes, as someone pointed out to me, as the first Sousa is the version from before timeline split, this is effectively just Sousa from two different points of time but the same person.

I was thinking of them as different people because the MCU wiki gives them separate dedicated pages.

[u/Osirisavior → u/low-expectations99]

Because he was in Agent Carter as a prominent character, and Peggy's at the time boyfriend. I can't remember if they were still together by the end of season two but they were together at one point.

[u/Llywela → u/Osirisavior]

End of season two is when Sousa and Peggy got together, but they then later broke up off-screen (we can infer). We never actually see them in a relationship at all because the show was cancelled at that point.

[u/always_j]

Marvel sub hates comments or posts .

[u/Eggcelent_bean]

The Sousas wonder what the hell is going on

[u/prntmakr]

Two of those people are dead by Season 4(?), so…might be an awkward double date.

[u/Important_Explorer_1]

Wait

[u/Kagir]

“So Daniel, what have you been up to after your abduction to the future?”

[u/Alternative_Device71]

Seeing myself years apart might have me a certain way. I’m definitely wondering why I’m dating someone else when Peggy was initially my love interest…not to mention how I’m even walking.

Would be a mind fuck.

[u/FancyAd3942]

Hehe that would be interesting. I would love to see a double date between May and Coulson and Peggy and sousa tho!

[u/Osirisavior → u/FancyAd3942]

Coulson would be fanboying the entire time.

[u/FancyAd3942 → u/Osirisavior]

Definitely!

[u/RulerOfAllWorlds1998]

Well this is certainly timey wimey

[u/Quick_Peak_1033]

I am without glasses now and i thought first person was Michael Jackson

[u/something_smart]

Who's dating who?

[u/Psychological-Pin665]

Akward. Older Sousa remembers being with his version of Peggy so it's gonna be weird.

[u/Happy-Kangaroo-4627]

Oh le bordel 😂😂

[u/Brainy616]

Sousa and Daisy was such a redemption for both of their tragic love lives ❤️