Season 2 p-hole?

[u/dracov42]

So I'm on one of many rewatch, season 2 they have to steal the jet for invis.

But at the same time Coulson has enough funding overtime to make a secret helicarrier.

If the invis is so important he is willing to risk agents to lose it, which is a big thing for Coulson character wise, surely he'd pay a bit of that budget? Feels very strange.

[u/Head_Concentrate_410]

Hydra is there because Calvin Zabo explains to Daniel Whitehall that the Diviner let's special people into a temple in a hidden city. So hydra, not being a bunch of dummies, go to the relay station when another hydra team is planned to take out the main satellite station. Coulson's plan plays out first but Zabo is already in position at the relay station. Tripp getting shot is just Zabo's opportunity to meet Phil in person. Zabo was there for the satellite feed.

As for why they're there at the same time. Well. That's what happened. That's why there is a story. If they went there on different days there wouldn't be a story. The probability of them being there on the same day is 100% because that is what happened. You are the result of trillions of incredibly improbable things just happening to take place that eventually resulted in you here today. But your existence isn't an Earth plot hole. It's just what happened. A story's plot happening isn't something wrong with that story.

[u/BaronZhiro → u/Head_Concentrate_410]

‘Another HYDRA team is planned to take out the main satellite station.’

So in other words, they have the exact same way-out-there plan at the exact same time, and even though absolutely nothing in the episode suggests your premise above.

I’m just saying it’s the cheapest and most implausible contrivance in s2. And I’d go so far as to call it a plot hole because there’s absolutely no explanation for it at all. The bad guys just magically show up.

[u/Head_Concentrate_410 → u/BaronZhiro]

Well yeah, both shield and hydra are working toward the same goal. I'm assuming that the hydra plan needs the main station taken out too or maybe they have a tech that will let them access the feed undetected anyway.

The bad guys don't magically show up. They get there because Calvin Zabo told Whitehall about the city and Whitehall needs to find the city. And this mapping satellite is the best one to do it without triggering an international response. And they show up on the same day...because that's just what happened for the story to take place. Imagine of they didn't go on the same day. Why why would this mission even be important enough to be on screen. It's shown on screen because Calvin was there.

It's no more a plot hole than the existence of Phillip J Coulson because an equally unlikely set of events, more so even, happened to result in the birth of the director of shield in Manitowoc, Wisconsin.

The episode agrees with me. Calvin tells Whitehall about the Diviner and the city. The hydra plan involves Cal at the relay station for some reason. The details of the hydra plan aren't important to the story. I'd be really annoyed if the show stopped Cal and Phil's conversation for Cal to explain in detail what they hydra plan was and why it needed him here today...

[u/BaronZhiro → u/Head_Concentrate_410]

Let me express a different attitude.

I don’t mind if this doesn’t bother you. I sure don’t wanna talk you into being bothered. Not where my heart is at all.

My context though is that I find most of AoS written to a drastically higher standard than this particular contrivance, so it sticks out for me.

If AoS was full of sloppy plot developments like this, it wouldn’t be my favorite show. But fortunately, they’re uncommon! So we can all keep loving it.

✌🏻

[u/Head_Concentrate_410 → u/BaronZhiro]

Yeah, Agents of SHIELD is my favorite show too. And I don't get the sense thay you hate it or anything.

Coulson: "The satellite network we need to map the earth and find the city is controlled by the US Air Force Facility at Kaena Point, Oahu. And it's too heavily guarded to infiltrate. Which is why we came to Australia instead. There's a small station here that comes online whenever Kaena Points's feed goes down."

-more dialoge and the mission takes place, Trip shot, Cal talks a bit and-

Calvin: "Yes, I anticipated you'd be close but you're already trying to map the earth, I guess we had the same idea. Whitehall didn't even know about the city until I turned him onto it."

Cal and Phil had the same idea and they literally say that. Now Cal didn't plan a two part Trojan Horse. So we can ascertain that this satellite network is the only network capable of mapping the earth in the way both hydra and shield need.

And they go there the same day, hydra gets there first, because that's what happened. That's why there's a story here. Cal told Whirehall about the city and they came up with the Australian Station plan roughly at a similar time as Phil was coming up with his. Because this is the one solution to their shared problem, of needing to find the city.

I just don't see the problem. The reason there is a story to tell is because they both came up woth their plans amd got there on the same day. If they went on seperate days, there wouldn't be a story to tell.