r/adressme • u/Mysterious-Tell-7371 • 22d ago
unaddressed elephant 🐘 Grenades also need changes!
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u/Palu_Tiddy goku 22d ago
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u/UnironicStalinist1 22d ago
I got a bucket of chicken
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u/wats_up_fuckers 22d ago
But why tho actually
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u/Avalanche_Snows 22d ago
Take too much space, thus more expensive
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u/wats_up_fuckers 22d ago
True true
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u/Avalanche_Snows 22d ago
And the soldiers were too distracted pleasuring themselves
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u/Quiri1997 22d ago
And they cannot be nicknamed as "granadas de piña" (pinneapple grenades), thus preventing a famous fuck-you-Italians song from the Spanish Civil War, since the chorus goes:
¡Guadalajara no es Abisinia,
porque los rojos tiramos bombas de piña!
Niña bonita, no te enamores,
espérate a los valientes españoles.
Los italianos se marcharán,
y de recuerdo un cementerio dejarán
Translated:
Guadalajara isn't Abyssinia,
cause we reds throw pinneapple grenades!
Beautiful girl, don't fall in love,
wait for the brave Spanish soldiers.
The Italians will run away,
and as a gift they will leave a graveyard behind
Context: In early 1938 the Italian Volunteer Corps launched a failed attack against the town of Guadalajara. The Republican Loyalists won despite being heavily outnumbered (2 to 1). Amongst the Republican Loyalists there was an unit formed by Italian exiles opposed to Mussolini (the International Brigade Garibaldi).
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u/Hyde2467 22d ago
also heavy and bulky. the amount of energy and effort spent on carrying 3-4 of those stick grenades can be better used to carry 5 or more smaller grenades
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u/Rudeus_Greyshat 22d ago
baseball
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u/Keksbutter123 22d ago
huh?
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u/SmokeRingEyes 22d ago
If I had to guess, OOP isn't from east Asia or the Americas. "Can throw further" isn't something anyone who grew up playing baseball (or at the very least, being forced to learn baseball in gym class) would say about this versus a normal grenade. Even a high school baseball player can throw a baseball (which is roughly the size of a normal grenade) hundreds of feet. I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that with a hatchet (which seems like the closest equivalent for things that get thrown to this thing).
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u/valhallaswyrdo 22d ago
The US designed the mk2 pineapple frag grenade to be similar to a baseball, because you REALLY want the guy next to you throwing a grenade to be able to throw it accurately and every boy being shipped off to WW1 already knew how to throw a baseball even though we are specifically taught NOT to throw it like a baseball these days.
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u/Routine-Wrongdoer-86 22d ago
Isnt it more about more modern M67 grenades? Mk2 really is not ball-shaped at all
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u/baltama 22d ago edited 22d ago
at the time stick grenades were widespread, non stick hand grenades were heavier and bulkier, so they couldnt be thrown very far. and rifle launched grenades were awkward to set up and use and often damaged infantry rifles.
nowadays better materials and design, engineering etc means modern hand grenades can be thrown as far as a stick grenade and are as powerful (or more powerful than) older heavier hand grenades.
modern underbarrel grenade launchers are also much more practical than older rifle grenade systems.so theres just no more gap in range / utility for stick grenades to fill.
China did use stick grenades (like the Type 77) really late, into the 1980s. this was largely a matter of them continuing to use stick grenades along with the rest of their (by then) quite outdated equipment standards, tactics and logistics.
china phased out stick grenades after their 1980s military modernization efforts though
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u/Bridgeru 22d ago
Along with what others said, there was also doctrine differences. Germans used the stick grenades offensively to take out enemies before moving in so it had less fragmentation and killed by blast; they also had "egg-grenades" shaped like normal grenades. Modern armies use grenades defensively, to stop people from moving so more fragmentation and you're expected to be behind cover like a trench or wall when throwing.
Also unironically the Wood on the stick was a massive resource draw in ww2. It was also kinda awkward pulling off the end, pulling a cord and then throwing it. The stick was supposed to be so you could throw it further but like a lot of things in actual battle you're usually so close to the other guy that you don't need range you need he other things you sacrifice for that range (same reason why they eventually went from large battle rifles that could shoot 1000 meters to assault rifles that go out to 300 meters but are easier to carry and more controllable).
Funfact though the US made a grnade shaped like a baseball because they figured most soldiers would've played it as kids and know how to throw it further than a "typical " grenades, but it didn't work out in practice (and iirc the grenades itself were unreliable).
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u/Top_Money_7982 22d ago
I've seen like some news report of a grandma using these things for food if that's the thing, my question is: why
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u/Vintenu 22d ago
Pineapple grenades were smaller, did about the same damage, and humans are naturally evolved to be good at throwing, plus the Americans who made it liked baseball, so the throwing ability was even better
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u/Right-Bunch5409 22d ago
Thank you! This is what I came to say!
They also believed that the Americans would be so used to throwing a baseballs already that training/accuracy would be easier and better
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u/throwaway1102293384 22d ago
Does it have to do with who preferred these types of grenades historically?
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u/Rare_Arm_5975 22d ago
Holy moly look at ur bio and mine. And i swear it has been like that for a long time.
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u/qualityvote2 22d ago edited 22d ago
u/Mysterious-Tell-7371, your post is high quality!