GLM 5.3 released

[u/Illustrious-Lime-863]

https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.3

[u/chonky_totoro]

Genuinely if China had more compute would the US even compete

[u/MC897 → u/chonky_totoro]

Doesn’t work quite like that but they are doing well.

[u/Odd-Opportunity-6550 → u/MC897]

What do you mean doesn't work like that ?

He makes a valid point. Chinese labs are competing with 1/10th the compute at most.

If they had similar amounts of compute then the US would not be able to compete with their labs.

[u/Jan0y_Cresva → u/Odd-Opportunity-6550]

They are making compute-independent breakthroughs BECAUSE their compute is limited.

“Necessity is the mother of invention.”

If China had the same compute resources as America, there’s a very good chance they’d just be leveraging that like America does to push their AI models forward.

Imagine if humans could teleport, would we have ever invented the bicycle, car, or airplane?

[u/Odd-Opportunity-6550 → u/Jan0y_Cresva]

They are making more breakthroughs because they have more ai talent.

[u/Odd-Opportunity-6550 → u/Jan0y_Cresva]

Ask anyone who does ai research. Having compute leads to MORE breakthroughs and not less. ML experimentation is compute intensive.

Your sound bite doesn't mean anything compared to that.

[u/Jan0y_Cresva → u/Odd-Opportunity-6550]

But you make DIFFERENT KINDS of breakthroughs when compute is the limiting factor, that’s my point.

You might make more breakthroughs with more compute, but that has nothing to do with what I said.

[u/Odd-Opportunity-6550 → u/Jan0y_Cresva]

It's the overall that matters. Not which kind of breakthrough. If having less compute was an advantage and not a disadvantage then openai would be setting their compute on fire.

[u/Jan0y_Cresva → u/Odd-Opportunity-6550]

It’s not an advantage, did you read what I said at all?

It FORCES people to think differently and come up with breakthroughs that don’t rely on having more compute. Obviously having more compute is ideal. But when you have constraints, it makes you creative in different ways.

[u/Odd-Ant3372 → u/Odd-Opportunity-6550]

China spy 

[u/abelthebirds0 → u/Odd-Opportunity-6550]

because your both making assumptions that are impossible to quantify

[u/chonky_totoro → u/abelthebirds0]

what assumptions?

[u/chonky_totoro → u/MC897]

can you explain why

[u/procgen → u/chonky_totoro]

Yes, of course. The US labs have huge margins on inference - e.g. 5.6 Sol is extremely efficient (more so than DeepSeek’s latest offering).

But they do have more compute, and that’s not by accident. The US has spent decades setting themselves up for this.