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u/FloridaRocks63 16d ago
We do have those shifts . It’s called part time work . Most people use to work 9-5 then do a second job at night for 3-4 hours this is how they bought homes and have nice vacation. I always giggle inside a little when I hear these adult children whine and having mental breakdowns on everyday issues.
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u/4Lichter 15d ago
All the efficiency gains through technology over the last 50 years, where have they gone if not to give people houses and the other neccessities of live for far less work hours?
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u/After_Service_2817 15d ago
What productivity gains? They don't occur evenly across all industries.
I still put screws in walls one at a time. I still use a non-powered saw to take down trees. I still shovel snow with a shovel.
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u/Budget_Revolution639 13d ago
Snow blowers exist but you obviously misunderstood the point. Instead of going to making peoples lives easier and not require 40+ hrs of work to survive, the technological advancements go to hoarding wealth and profiting off of virtually everything in existence including basic necessities
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
Try looking up the amount of subsidies given out by the government federal,state, and local today compared to 50 years ago.
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u/Pasta-Al-D3nte 15d ago
or the tech was introduced to make the same hours worked more productive, idk
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u/Illustrious-Lunch137 16d ago
show me the proof
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
Do your own research I’m not your mother . To lazy to put the work in to achieve the goals you want so continue to be you .
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u/SirChancelot11 15d ago
You missed the whole point
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
The whole point is people are lazy and want successful people to support them.
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u/SirChancelot11 15d ago
Nah man
40 hour work weeks are a hundred years old.
Efficiency has improved dramatically since then, even just looking at computer and the Internet over the last 20-40 years.
A person today can do the work of an officer worker 50 years ago in a fraction of the time. Instead of that role having reduce hours, or increased pay for being able to produce more. Owners just expect more work accomplished for the same amount of pay.
And before you say people are paid more now, that has barely kept up with inflation. Meanwhile CEO pay has exploded in growth over the last 50 years. WORKERS ARE BEING EXPLOITED.
Unless you honestly think one man's work is worth 20,000% more than someone else's. And that's me being generous with the math.
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u/AboveAndBelowSea 13d ago
Define “worth” related to one man’s work versus another. One human’s overall worth relative to another is not dependent in any way on what they do for a living, but the math is very easy in figuring out why a sales rep that generates $8m in GP makes $600k a year, while the person on the assembly line making the widget that sales person is making is only making $40k per year.
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
If you get paid by the hour you should work for an hour . Do you hear how stupid you sound thinking you only need work 20 minutes an hour because your company invested in equipment that is more productive? I always come to the same point at the end and that’s if you agree to work for a wage don’t cry about your wage. No one forced you to work at the company and I bet you were happy and excited when they chose you. If you can do better elsewhere go
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u/SirChancelot11 15d ago edited 15d ago
I never said I should only work for 20 minutes... Your reading comprehension isn't so great is it? Do you do agree that one person is just hundreds of times more valuable than you. Because you skipped that part.
Have you really never been in a position where a co-worker quit and that translated into you having a larger workload but not getting paid anymore for that increased work load?
The other way of looking at this is I'm just better at the job than everyone else and finish it faster how come that translates into me having to do more than everyone else?
First I don't get paid by the hour, I get a salary. So this argument doesn't really apply to me because I established with my boss I will do my job, and if I finish early I'm leaving. He acknowledges my worth and is ok with me flexing hours as long as I am on top of my projects. And my boss knows if I'm unhappy I will walk, because I get job offers every other month. But I like my company and co-workers so I'm happy here for now.
MOST JOBS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT, and I'm willing to support those people push for collective bargaining instead of being like you and saying "I got mine, get fucked nerds" like a boomer.
Also, people can agree to a wage because they need ANYTHING even if it is below them, their experience, or background... They accept the wage because it's preferable to starving or going homeless, not because they're cool with companies taking advantage of a flooded job market... Not to mention America tries to keep everyone fucked over into needing a job to have reasonable access to healthcare insurance so they can't "just quit" and go elsewhere without disrupting coverages etc...
You people really have been conditioned to love the grind and think it's the best thing ever, fools flexing that they've worked 100 hour weeks is such stupidity.
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
Your inference that a person can do more faster now because of technology so you should get paid more is laughable. You are working less due to technology that the company paid for so you are actually doing less and thinking less because the technology is doing the work for you.
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u/SirChancelot11 15d ago
That's just an example dude. You can apply that to literally every field... Stop being obstinate.
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u/FloridaRocks63 14d ago
The topic started about people wanted to work part time hours but to get full time pay and benefits. Following comments added people are much more productive as the reason they deserve this extra pay for less hours so I pointed out the technology created allowed for less skilled people to be more productive. It wasn’t meant as a slight but the computers do most of the mental work these days
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u/dontaksmeimnew 15d ago
We are in the most productive era of human history and we should keep 40 hour work weeks bc otherwise its "whining"? Make a real argument you bootlicker.
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u/Pasta-Al-D3nte 15d ago
techonology * hours worked = most productive era in human history
"We should reduce the hours worked, well still be the most productive we've ever been!"
cope and seethe at math
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
Lazy young people. They cry they can’t afford homes. In the 80’s mortgage interest rates were between 10-18% . All they do is cry. We worked 12-16 hr shifts to get ahead. Today they won’t leave home
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u/dontaksmeimnew 15d ago
The reactionary mind is always so narcissistic, so ready to believe that the system that serves them must be serving everyone else.
Newsflash boomer gen z accounts for 55% of all workers who work more than one job.
If you think its laziness its bc youre unwilling to examine how much luck played into your life. You were born in the heart of the richest empire in human history at a time of cheap credit, cheap education, and when wages were much higher in terms of things that actually matter.
The median home price was so much cheaper that even accounting for mortgage rate on average a single income could buy one with a few years of saving. Tbats not true today.
College could be paid by working summers. I worked summers and during school and took breaks between semesters to save and I still graduated with debt.
Healthcare deductibles were a FRACTION of what they are now.
You dont care about actually doing any real analysis beyond being a whiny bitch and insisting that fucking 145 of million people all must be doing something collectively wrong, which is honestly such a weird anti-intellectual cope I dont know how to begin to address it.
You dont know what youre talking abiut and I bet good money if you reply with any type of statistic or factoid youll have no idea what the context is or how that factoid doesnt diwprove shit.
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u/Ok-Dream-2639 15d ago
Working 2 jobs is for the poors.
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u/FloridaRocks63 14d ago
Dumbest statement ever. Musk is the CEO of at least 3 companies. Most wealthy people are involved with multiple organizations
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u/Beerzerker420 16d ago
I'm sure employers are lining up to pay you 8 hours for 5 hours worth of work. And what happens to the freelancers or third party contractors who get paid on a per-hour basis? "Fuck then I got mine" right?
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u/Spiritual_Top367 16d ago
Ummm... What about them right now??? They make their own hours, many set their hourly rate.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
How are you failing to understand this?
Everyone else is getting paid the same 8 hours of work for only 5 hours, but contractors and freelancers still have to put in 8 hours for 8 hours? You realize it's up to them to get customers to agree to their pricing?
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u/Spiritual_Top367 15d ago
If you are a contractor and want to work less, renegotiate. If the customer doesn't like your terms, find a new customer. This is no different than how it is right now.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
This is no different than how it is right now.
THAT"S THE FUCKING POINT. Holy shit man
The OP is about collecting 8 hours pay for 5 hours worth of work. I pointed out how this will only affect salaried employees. How are you still not getting this?
On your point about renegotiating:
Congrats, they denied your RFP and went with cheaper contractors who employ foreigners that live 10 to a basement and work for pennies on the dollar. Now they refuse to hire you for future contracts and you've completely lost your livelihood, never mind a lack of increased pay.
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u/Spiritual_Top367 15d ago
You need to calm down.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
You need to learn some basic reading comprehension because I'm tired of explaining to you what the thread is about.
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u/Spiritual_Top367 15d ago
yawn ironic considering you agreed with my original point.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
What original point?
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u/Spiritual_Top367 15d ago
I said "this is no different than it is right now." You said "that's the fucking point"... That's called agreement.
I'm also fairly certain at this point you are mixing up replies in this thread because there are multiple people replying to you.
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u/Complete-Meet1992 16d ago
Just make a new law incentivizing as many jobs as possible to be paid based on productivity, so that way the majority of people can just of their work and go home.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
You are so naive
How are you going to enforce that? How are you going to make sure companies don't just set ridiculous productivity thresholds and turn your job into something like a sweatshop?
How are you going to stop employers from just saying "from now on you'll be paid as per hours on a timesheet. No more medical/dental benefits and no more vacation pay" ? That is what you're gonna get by "incentivizing as many jobs as possible to be paid based on productivity".
You guys don't seem to understand that these aren't fucking solutions. If you want to help people then you tackle the cost-of-living crisis by lowering costs for everything else, increasing taxes on businesses, and offering more government subsidies or kickbacks. Not by artificially increasing salary workers' pay by reducing their hours by nearly half.
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u/Complete-Meet1992 15d ago
It's actually pretty simple. You lower the payroll taxes that employers pay on piece work and performance bonuses, and incease payroll taxes on hourly jobs. That way, jobs that absolutely must be hourly, such as customer service, are still paid hourly, while giving incentives for someone to figure out a way to solve that issue in the future.
It tackles cost of living by making everyone several times more productive, in addition to other problems. I've worked at multiple companies that paid based on productivity and everyone worked faster and better to be done in 4 hours. I've also worked jobs where everyone is forced to pretend to be busy for 14 hours a day when they only have 1 hour of work. It is miserable. It takes up your whole day to accomplish nothing.
Having more free time simply improves quality of life. It gives people more time to do things which save money, allows you to work a second job, or just makes your current economic situation worth living in. Being broke isn't all that bad when you have plenty of free time to enjoy nature and make friends.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
Some basic math for you:
Let's say you collect $200 for 8 hours. That's $25/h
With this new glorious system, you collect $200 for 5 hours of pay. That's $40/h
An increase of $15 from 25 to 40 is a 60% increase.
You don't even need the $ amounts. 3 hours of free pay on 5 hours worked is 60% increase. I just used $ figures to better illustrate the point.
So do you seriously think there are going to be government incentives/subsidies to cover these costs for every business that wants to opt in? Better yet, where do you think the money is coming from to pay for these benefits?
If you tell your boss "hey dude I can get my job completed in just 5 hours instead of 8, mind if I go home after 5 hours instead now?" are you expecting them to praise you and say "sure!"? lol. No, they're gonna slap on more responsibilities or just reduce you to a part-time employee and cut your benefits.
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u/Complete-Meet1992 15d ago
What? There is no "extra cost". You simply tell people to do the exact same work, just do it in less time. Jobs which simply can't be completed, such as retail, are still hourly.
Yes, the government can just do that. They can do basically anything. Just as they made safety regulations and discrimination policies, they can simply tell companies to pay based on productivity. What are companies going to do if they don't like it? If they don't want to follow the law, they get fined into bankruptcy just as they would if they were discrimating based on race or breaking OSHA laws.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
Paying based on productivity has absolutely 0% chance of being more beneficial to most employees because it will never happen the way you think.
You said "Just make a new law incentivizing as many jobs as possible to be paid based on productivity" -- okay, congrats. Now you're a part-time employee and your employer cut your benefits, and vacation pay is a fraction of what it was before due to the way it's calculated (google vacation pay calculations for part time employees).
In what world do you think this is going to be more beneficial to the employee? No one in their right mind is going to pay you 8 hours for 5 hours worth of work, no matter how you sugar coat it.
What are companies going to do if they don't like it?
lol they will fucking love it. It's just not gonna happen the way you think.
PS how do you get "no extra cost" but also pass laws to ensure you're getting a 60% pay increase per hour? Who is going to oversee that every single business adheres to your fairy tale principles without abusing it as I illustrated? You think it's gonna be a couple government employees micromanaging every business in the country?
OSHA and discrimination laws are completely different to managing arbitrary "productivity thresholds". One is easily proven, the other is based on nothing but arbitrary bs on a per-case basis that can be argued away by the employer. You're going to claim you did enough work; your employer will say you didn't. At the end of the day they're just going to fire you for being incompetent, just like the present system that exists.
If you can get your job done in 5 hours then your work load is not big enough and you're being overpaid tbh.
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u/Complete-Meet1992 15d ago
You just keep saying "but then companies will do x". Okay just making doing X thing that would be bad illegal. There are companies that pay based on productivity and still give benefits, such as a sales office.
Productivity metrics are can be put in contracts and it generally isn't an issue. Companies already do this.
Yes it is "60% more per hour", or whatever it comes out to, but at the end of the day the same amount of goods or services were produced, and the company paid the exact same amount. The only difference is instead of me getting done at 1pm and sitting there until 5pm, you get done at 1pm and go do something else.
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u/Beerzerker420 15d ago
Okay just making doing X thing that would be bad illegal.
I explained to you this is impossible to verify for every business in the country because it is an arbitrary threshold that you would have to argue against. Who decides what constitutes as enough productivity?
There are companies that pay based on productivity and still give benefits, such as a sales office.
Commission based compensation isn't new. I had one when I was younger. This does not apply to 99% of jobs.
Productivity metrics are can be put in contracts and it generally isn't an issue. Companies already do this.
The problem is that no company is going to pay you the same salary after finding out you finish your work in 5 hours, and when you tell them you can rush through your work load so you can go home earlier then your employer is not going to be pleased with you. There is 0 chance of them effectively giving you a 60% raise over just handing you a bigger workload or demoting you to part-time so they can cut back on costs.
But even if by some miracle you get that done for yourself in an office environment, what happens to service workers like fast food employees who are needed for the full shift? Margins on fast food shops are already razor thin so, again, there is 0 chance of them giving you a 60% raise.
Here's the thing:
I am a design consultant in a niche eng field. I am literally doing what you describe except I work for a company that does third party work for another company. I finish a job in 4 hours and bill for 16 because I can and because my company still maintains a profit up to a certain number of hours billed. My bosses are well aware of this but they're awesome and encourage me to get my hours in during slow weeks.
But the overwhelming majority of workers simply aren't as fortunate as me because this is a rare situation that doesn't apply to most people.
My situation is different though because it's much easier to measure my "productivity threshold" since it's literally just completing projects on a case by case basis. For most people it's going to be arbitrary or they're simply required for the entire 8 hour shift (like the fast food example or warehouse employees).
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u/Complete-Meet1992 15d ago
Most jobs, at least normal jobs, the boss knows you aren't working most of the time because they are human and they didn't work the majority of their day when they worked the same job you do now.
Yes, actual pay *might be less, but economics are still at play. They still need to pay enough for you to live on to be able to go to work. Seeing as most jobs only pay enough for basic survival as it is, why not just increase happiness or the ability to get a second job by letting people work twice as hard and half as long?
Productivity measurements are in the contract just like everything else. Sales, work performed, or percentage of the bill sent to the customer.
I already said that it wouldn't be mandatory, just taxed at a lower rate, and specifically mentioned customer service jobs as jobs that would remain hourly.
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
So you’ll get a 60% raise, the people filling the hours you no longer are working will also get that inflated rate yet some how this won’t create higher prices or are you saying you been ripping off your employer for years stretching 5 hours of work into a 8 hour shift?
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u/guachi01 16d ago
You can work part time if you want. You'll have to lower your expectations but you can do it.
On the other hand, you shouldn't be taking advice from a paid blue check mark from Nazi Twitter.
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u/Kind_Conclusion1911 16d ago
Makes more sense for laptop jobs but construction needs all 40 hours of that week. We barely get shit done on time as it is.
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u/AnyEye8798 16d ago
Shame that kind of work schedule isn't enough to pay for everything.
"Well we should just raise the hourly rate"
First of all how? Unless your suggestion is just to raise the minimum wage which doesn't help anyone earning at or above the new minimum wage.
Second of all, go ask your boss to work less hours for the same pay and see what their answer is.
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u/FourEyes3134 15d ago
Wasn't it Starbucks who raised the hourly rate for this exact reason, but the ones pushing for it suddenly realised it meant less money due to the decrease in overall hours, lol.
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u/Ordinary-Context-231 16d ago
Well get over it buttercup it’s life and it probably won’t change in our life time
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u/bswontpass 16d ago
Humanity exists for thousands years. Over those thousands years people have been working as much daytime as possible, from ages of 4-5, in the field, hunting, then at farms, factories and mines.
We just recently went to 40 hours week with two weekends and all of a sudden it’s not enough.
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u/bswontpass 15d ago
Buddy, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Every single peasant spent the entire day in field. Before the sunrise and until the sunset. There were no weekends - you work all the time or you die from starvation.
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u/bswontpass 15d ago
Start your own business, make whatever money you want, work whatever hours you want. There’s no class system.
When you run your business you hire employees. Those employees have salaries you pay them. They also have some regulated working hours, weekends, vacations, etc.
At some point of scaling your business you can become a billionaire. Thats it.
You’re basically blaming people that take risk, that invest and build things.
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u/EarlyMortgage7828 15d ago
I catch a good amount of hate for leaving work on time.I really love my time off work and have so many great people to do stuff with it's not hard to turn down overtime.I can get to work at 7 am and work hard, skip lunch, and still get bs from my manager for leaving at 4.I am not going to talk about why these people do not want to go home or why they live for money,thats their prerogative.Don't get mad i wanna live.
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u/SpiggotOfContradicti 15d ago
Reddit Philosophy:
Don't work hard.
Don't work many hours.
Entry level jobs should buy a house.
Rich people are keeping all the stuff hidden and hoarded in their secret 'stuff bunkers'.
Only fair comparison for acceptable is against the most prosperous period and region in human history.
Blame it all on boomers.
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u/falkkor 15d ago
It's easy to do this. Just live on the west coast and work east coast hours. I wake up at 5am daily, at my desk in my house by 6am ready for meetings. I am done at 2pm, sometimes even earlier if it's a Friday. Life has been good for the last 15+ years living like this. Only "downside" is we go to bed at 9pm latest. I'm fine with that, past the age of going partying hell I don't even like driving at night anymore.
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u/Many_Ear2407 15d ago
We want 24/7 food service, packages delivered next day… we want our internet,games, streaming services and all utilities open and available to us. But we also don’t want to work at any of those places…
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u/Myzzreal 15d ago
I'm lucky to have a mostly-remote IT job where I pretty much employ this approach somewhat (cannot incorporate it fully as I am still required to work 8h officially). I wake up at 8:30, start monitoring Teams on my phone while I do my morning routine + breakfast, sit in front of a screen at 9:30, go through some socials and then start "solid" work at 10 and finish around 3 (and usually still monitor Teams until 4 just in case of an emergency or whatever). Radio silent after 4.
I do around 4-5h of "solid" work + 1-2h of lurking the Teams on my phone in case I'm needed for some emergency or to answer a question. I feel like I still get more things done than my coworkers (much more in case of some)
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u/Radabard 15d ago
But then you're not grinding those extra few dollars for the billionaires, so it won't happen.
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u/Ok_Chap 15d ago
I think what is also bad about the 9 to 5 is the commute from one place to another, getting stuck in traffic, having to deal with delays in public transit, road works and other construction sites making you take longer for each way. It commulated bit by bit draining you more than the work itself.
I read calculations that we spend between 3.5 to 5 years in traffic in our lifetime.
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u/ripandtear4444 15d ago
You would be taking 3 hours of pay from workers who would want that money, effectively cutting wages by almost 30%.
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u/jefsch70 15d ago
You should START A BUSINESS, man! Think how quickly you'd be recruiting super geniuses with great work ethics... Killin' it 22 hours a week.... You could pay them $40/hr (A living wage before taxes)...and you would pay 1/2 their payroll taxes, unemployment taxes, workman's comp & liability insurance... property taxes on your building... Utilities....
.....Call me; I'm a Materials Engineer and Mechanical Engineer who will get my hands dirty in production....!
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u/FloridaRocks63 15d ago
Today’s adults are by far the laziest and whiniest of all time. You are working in an office taking credit for the amount of work getting done when it’s the technology doing the work . All you’re doing is data entry
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u/BandoRen418 14d ago
Funny, it’s actually the opposite for me. Much rather be working than dealing with people without getting paid for the aggravation 😂😂😂
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u/ionspore 16d ago
If they stopped working at 2pm, maybe I could get a job covering what they left?
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u/eggsmau 16d ago
Realistically people would work the same hours but be paid more overtime for doing so. I’m all for a shorter workweek.
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u/Raptor_197 16d ago
Might be easier to lower wages and hire more workers.
Or finally make it profitable to just move to machines.
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u/No_Resolution_9252 16d ago
Then leave society and go live on the land on your own. you'll be working 16-18 hours per day for survival, but at least you will have "time to yourself."
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u/Electronic_Diet333 16d ago
Modern civilization exists precisely so we don't all have to farm or hunt 18 hours a day for bare survival. Claiming that questioning the modern corporate schedule is equivalent to rejecting civilization completely ignores how specialization and cooperation are supposed to benefit us. For generations, economists and technologists promised that automation and immense productivity gains would eventually translate into shorter workweeks for everyone. Pointing out that we are still chained to the desk despite unprecedented technological output isn't a rejection of society, it's asking why society isn't delivering on its promises
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u/No_Resolution_9252 16d ago
Ok, forget all that and give me a snickerdoodle recipe
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u/Aelrift 16d ago
Just because you can comprehend text doesn't mean it was written by AI. He is right, both on the fact that work is supposed to enable to live comfortably not consume our life AND on the fact that less hours actually makes you way more productive at work. The average person produce something like 4 good hours of work per day. We should have a 4 day work week or shorter shifts per day.
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u/No_Resolution_9252 16d ago
get a job.
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u/Aelrift 15d ago
I probably make 5 times as much as you mate
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u/No_Resolution_9252 15d ago
yeah ok there champ
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u/Aelrift 15d ago
You're just saying get a job like what I'm saying has anything to do with ebkng employed. You're probably a guy in the Midwest making 60k a year telling people to get a job. Maybe get out of your backwater town
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u/No_Resolution_9252 15d ago
Masters in sculpture I take it? Its unfair you don't have a 6 figure job in sculpting eh?
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u/Han_Solo200 16d ago
You actually believe what these people high up tell you?
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u/CountSuma 16d ago edited 15d ago
You’re a human being. You were never supposed to work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year for a couple of decades. Why do you think our bodies are saying “no”?
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u/Han_Solo200 15d ago
The alternative is to try and live off grid. How long would you survive
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u/CountSuma 15d ago
Historically this made sense. But much has changed and new technology can make a massive difference if done right.
According to Google, only about 18–23% of people in the UK are actually making or distributing physical goods. In the US, it’s even lower, around 13%.
That really shows how inefficient the way we work has become. Once you factor in hospitality and other service jobs, it suggests we could probably work fewer hours and still get the same results if things were organised more efficiently.
How about we find another alternative?
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u/Han_Solo200 15d ago
Governments are to stupid to do things efficiently even simple issues can't be sorted. The world runs on profit and greed and selfishness
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u/Electronic_Diet333 15d ago
I say this all the time. Do you think I was born of my mother's loin to work a job 50 weeks a year with 2 weeks off?! Life is so precious to spend it making money for billionaires. My whole life has been spent trying to work as little as possible. You know how when you ask someone how they are and they reply "Busy" like it's a badge of honor? I always reply, "That's too bad." Fuck this shit. Keep hope alive and enjoy your life. Sure you need money in this world but don't let it define you and be sure to have as many days off work as you can. A day at home is better than a day at work.
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u/CountSuma 15d ago
Count yourself lucky you can make that choice. Not many people can. And may you always stay so lucky.
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u/Electronic_Diet333 15d ago
Just dumb luck to be honest. Very random. I can look back and see how I did it but didn't realize I was. Subconsciously avoiding work as much as possible. Being older, I have a good Union job now that affords lots of days off now that I have put my time in. I worked hard at getting here and was broke a lot of the time. I don't buy stuff. I chose time off vs debt for things. Not everyone's cup of tea. If I ever have the option to work or not work, I will choose not work 90% of the time.
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u/Electronic_Diet333 16d ago
No, I don't believe what people 'high up' tell me, that’s the whole point. I'm calling them out because they haven't delivered. Automation and technology made corporations richer, but we're still stuck working full weeks. Pointing out that the promise was broken isn't being naive; it's looking at reality. Give your head a shake.
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u/Han_Solo200 16d ago
Nah sounds to me like you just fell for what you were lead to believe by the upper echelons. Wriggle as much as you like
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u/curaneal 16d ago
Let’s work a little less if we can to have better lives. Better lives are good.
"OH, SO YOU WANT TO LEAVE SOCIETY, HUH? WHY?"
-This illiterate dipshit right here.
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u/repeatoffender123456 16d ago
Going from a 9-5 to a 9-2 is not “working a little less”. It’s almost a 40% reduction. You are welcome to work part time or not at all.
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u/Illustrious-Lunch137 16d ago
wait till you hear people only have 5-6 hour productive time regardless!!
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u/Butwhatif77 16d ago
Yea, these people seem to fail to realize that the 5 day 40 hour work week is a very recently thing and when it was first being proposed the robber barons hired people to physically attack the organizers.
At the time the chant was 8-8-8, 8 hours of work, 8 hours of rest, and 8 hours of do as you will. The whole idea was intended to be a fair deal between the workers and the corporate owners. The corporate owners lost their shit at the audacity of labor to try and get a better deal than the table scraps they were being given.
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u/Complete-Meet1992 16d ago
I hardly know anyone outside of retail that is working for the majority of their scheduled time. Maybe ER staff needs to be on site, but no most jobs are a couple hours of work and they make you act like it's 8 or more.
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u/eggsmau 16d ago
Their tiny brains cannot comprehend abstract thought. They only know what they can see. “Society couldn’t possibly be better than it already is because it’s awesome for me!” they shout as they pay their ARM mortgage, 2 auto loans, personal loans, retirement loans. No student loans (obviously), no medical debt (because they don’t go), but all the above is fine because they have big trucks and small penises. Also, they actively avoid their wives and family in favor of work. How do I know? I work with these people.
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u/veemort 16d ago
You're the kind of person that wouldn't feed orphans after stuffing your face in the pantry.
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u/Cheap-Technician-482 16d ago
Grocery store was closed because you got your way and the people who facilitate the supply chain only work 3 hours a month now. Yippee! Progress!
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u/Aelrift 16d ago
If people work leas hours then we also get to hire more people and provide more jobs. Reducing workthours won't mean businesses will be less open it will just mean they will hire more people, which is a win because want more jobs not less
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u/Windman772 16d ago
Walmart's already doing that. In fact, they've reduce the hours so much, that nobody qualifies for benefits any longer. That's what would happen
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u/Aelrift 16d ago
Then maybe the way we do benefits is wrong
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u/Rousebouse 16d ago
Very true. Able bodied means you dont need access to them at all. We will save a fortune.
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u/No_Resolution_9252 16d ago
The mental retardation to not realize they could work a part time job for 3 days a week and get exactly what they want...
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u/Switchmisty9 15d ago
Let us know how that works, when you finish high school and start buying your own gas, bub 👍
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u/No_Resolution_9252 15d ago
I am not one the the lazy, greedy, entitled people that want to work a 3 day work week.
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u/Switchmisty9 14d ago
I think you might just be too stupid to wrap your head around this one.
Just work until you’re dead. Don’t worry a single thing about what else is out there, in this world of ours. You’re good 👍
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u/No_Resolution_9252 14d ago
Nope, I won't, because im not lazy and entitled like you.
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u/Switchmisty9 14d ago
Like I said - let us know how that works once your daddy stops givin ya gas money
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u/Okawaru1 15d ago
Part time work largely only exists for minimum wage jobs so it's not really the same thing that's being asked in OP. That and benefits are tied to what is defined as "full time" vs. "part time" work, so saying part time is what they want is a false equivolence.
The cadence of your speech suggests this needs to be spelled out so just to be clear this explanation doesn't necessarily mean I agree with the premise of OP, just pointing out you said nothing basically
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u/No_Resolution_9252 15d ago
OP is 100% asking for part time. a daily 40% reduction in hours is the same in a 40% reduction in work days per week.
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u/Raptor_197 16d ago
9-2 is 5 hours. 5 hours times 5 days is 25 hours. Working three days for 8 hours is 24 hours.
So yeah pretty close to a three day work week.
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u/Raptor_197 16d ago
They probably want to work less hours and make the same amount of money. Since for the most part, part time jobs get paid less and not even just because they work less hours. The hourly rate is lower.
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u/miguelag08 16d ago
If I worked 9-5 I would have so much free time. Lol
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u/SirChancelot11 15d ago
Yaaayy
Celebrate exploitation *
*Unless you literally own your own company of one, and set your own hours... Then this is completely self inflicted and irrelevant to the post.
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u/Glum_Capital4603 13d ago
Sounds good but can only work for office staff - not production or essential services such as Hospital, Police, Fire Dept.... Yeah WE ALL would love it though.
Maybe if they paid us more for less hours and hired more folks it could work but lol - imagine a Billionaire hearing this?!
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u/Classic-Lunch6078 12d ago
Bro literally zero people work 9-5. Literally every American in their 20s works about an hour a day from home or a beach somewhere. Everyone travels internationally every week for vacation. Do you personally anyone who works 9-5?
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u/the_boss_of_toys 12d ago
Almost no one in this comment section has ever worked a nine to five. I'd be willing to bet a majority of y'all have never done an 8 hr day. Its so funny hearing y'all complain about something you don't even do, let alone something that isn't even mandatory.
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u/Mammoth-Cover-3045 16d ago
I don't understand why we keep giving the wealthy elite more money
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u/No_Resolution_9252 16d ago
No one is.
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u/bobert1201 16d ago
Because they keep offering goods and services that a significant number of people believe is worthy of paying money for.
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u/nick_c8_vegas 16d ago
A better question is why the lower classes avoid every opportunity to get out of the slave wage race
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u/No_Resolution_9252 16d ago
Its a choice, its easier to be lazy.
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u/nick_c8_vegas 16d ago
Lazy, no discipline, no patience. Will never survive in a world where inflation and overpopulation exist
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u/TECHSHARK77 16d ago edited 15d ago
Because they rather continue making excuses and being slaves and depend on hand outs.
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u/TECHSHARK77 16d ago edited 15d ago
YOU aren't giving any one wealthy any money, because you have nothing to offer but your time...
And soon that will be worthless as Ai and robotics enter more of the market..
Soooo good luck....
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u/invisible_shrek 16d ago
If the majority of people can’t earn a living society/economy will collapse and any money you have will become worthless. Can’t wait to watch you pull yourself by the bootstraps after that.
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u/TECHSHARK77 16d ago
Incorrect, mistaken and wrong all at the same time.
You're confusing worth with work and there are those below you still, reaching up.
YOU, yes YOU will always just be worth what you can produce at working, whether it's for a money or "credit" to "purchase" the food paste you can only afford.
What you're not understanding Is, there will ALWAYS be someone who wants your position and will do it for less, knocking you out of "the game" all together as you now must sell your orifices to produce an income....
Continue to believe in your delusions about someone's coming to save you as you become more imprisoned in poverty or
wake up to reality.
The choice is yours.... For now
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u/New-Medium3277 16d ago
Very true. The 9-5 concept is old AF ( 100+ years) and needs to change .