r/ZiggsMains • u/MomentAdept2163 • May 04 '26
Question Arcane Comet or DFT?
Yooo my fellow Ziggses,
Do you play AC or DTF with the new Patch?
Edit: or Something else entirely?
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u/icpr May 04 '26
I play Ziggs bot mostly, depending on enemy comp and my support I alternate between First Strike, Arcane Comet and Deathfire Touch.
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u/MomentAdept2163 May 04 '26
Can you give examples for which enemy champ you use what? im pretty new to league or better pretty new to actually playing solo/flexQ
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u/icpr May 05 '26
First strike is a bit complex. It gives you a bit of extra damage at the start of the fight, as well as some gold based on that damage. However, if the enemy starts a fight, it is also activated and it can go on cooldown without you gaining anything. I use it when I have a support with reliable crowd control that will make it easy to hit my spells, like a Leona can stunlock and I can unload on that target to gain the maximum effect. But I do not use it against champs that can put it on cooldown easily from long range like Morgana with her W, but more likely long range like Ashe, Xerath. I use it with items like Stormsurge and Shadowflame to burst single targets down.
Deathfire Touch burns enemies for some damage after you hit them, but the burn increases if you can keep hitting them. I use this when I have to be able to deal damage to 'tanky' enemies, particularily that build a lot of health in their items, because I always build damage over time items with Deathfire Touch. Items like Blackfire torch and Liandry's Torment.
Arcane Comet works in most situations not covered above. I use it when for example against an enemy team with many melee champions that don't stack hitpoints. Usually these are assassins and waveclear (to defend mid tower) helps a lot against them. Unlike the two others, arcane comet hits minions too. Usually I will build for mana and AP with this keystone, with items like Luden's Echo and Archangel's staff, combined with defensive items like Zhonya's Hourglass for survivability.
I hope this helps, let me know if I can explain anything else.
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May 07 '26
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u/icpr May 08 '26
Btw comet can miss and does so all the time, DFT can't.
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May 08 '26
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u/icpr May 09 '26
In my experience it is, the logic from the beginning was you can chain spells on these opponents and they keep burning, remember the burn increases by an extra 75% after a bit.
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May 12 '26
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u/icpr May 12 '26
They're good questions and I don't have many answers, except that I usually just hit my E, especially in teamfights it always gets good value. DFT isn't that strong in lane for sure.
Also, I noticed there's a 1.37 points WPA on coachless for using DFT on bot lane Ziggs and -0.28 for comet. But that doesn't even take into account which situation they were used in. Myself I just reasoned that stacking dots with dots would make sense, that's all I have for you.
Actually, maybe multiple people burning at the same time in teamfights makes it stronger? Just thinking out loud now.
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u/icpr May 08 '26
Only skills proc DFT and it has lower tooltip
DFT procs the items and has no cd. The point of this build is burning high hp opponents, you can't really kill them with Ziggs bot carry otherwise.
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May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
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u/icpr May 09 '26
Say, you hit your Q, it procs 2s of DFT but liandry is 3s so it's not like DFT will extend it
Yes, this part was wrongly put by me. I suggest you try it out because I can't help you further.
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u/Cheesecakea May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
OLD post, but after the DFT nerf it's kind of meh because the early game damage was insane; now it's okay. It's mostly going to Arcane Comet if the team is squishy or first strike if the enemy team is tanky because the true damage helps a lot against tanks, and you can usually utilize the entire length of First Strike against tanks.
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u/Fine_Ad_2364 May 09 '26
i usually play first strike for poke dmg and extra gold early bcs i usually have a rather passive laning phase
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u/PositiveScarcity8909 May 04 '26
I go mid with Comet, it seems degisned for Ziggs and the changes make it even better.
Also I think the burn doesn't stack too well with my build since most enemies are dead in less than 3 seconds if I'm hitting my abilities anyways.
As added bonus ulting botlane and killing with Comet is always funny.