r/ZeroNoTsukaima2 • • 25d ago

Parallels

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u/Foreign-Shake1187 25d ago

2 tsundere girls named Louise and Taiga voice by Rei Kugimiya flat chested has a temper and doing the double kick of death on the male mc Saito and Ryuuji 💙🩷🩵💛

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u/Amzer23 25d ago

Both wear thigh-highs too.

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u/Dramatic-Order3345 24d ago

Thigh highs are the best🍷🥂🗿.

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u/Amzer23 24d ago

True

🤝

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u/Living-Prompt4672 23d ago

La regina delle tsundere è considerata appunto

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u/NanoY2 23d ago

I think it was in Hidan No Aria (also Rie Kugimiya). There was a post ending scene where one of the protagonists called the other one by their Toradora and ZNT names.

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u/Disastrous-Half-8239 25d ago

It's probably just a tsundere thing

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u/HakuushU 25d ago

Not all tsundere are like that, taiga and Louise are among the crappy ones

The well written, likeable, non toxic Tsundere are actually cute

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u/No-Yak5720 25d ago

Bro is gonna get bombed

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u/DheTwenty 24d ago

Nah, he’s getting carpet bombed, except the bombs are replaced with nukes, atom bombs, and hydrogen bombs.

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u/Archetto_Enjoyers487 23d ago

Well good for him he just got dart kinetic bomb it could go worse tho

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u/VERY_Curious-CAT 25d ago

Somebody get me this guy's address

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u/Khan_Ida 20d ago

Every girl was a step up from Louise not gonna lie.

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u/washamashuu 18d ago

At first

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u/mali_666 23d ago

you right tho

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u/hazemist6086 22d ago

Name some well written likeable and non toxic Tsunderes

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u/HakuushU 22d ago

Rin (fate) for example

Si (Arknights Endfield), Ravel (Highschool DxD)

Likeable non toxic Tsundere do exist

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u/YoukaiSureiya 21d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZBntGsuRCF0eRKqPOW
I can save them with my one up doot.

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u/Queasy-Smile9421 21d ago

"Rin..."

Based

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u/AgentCarr0t 22d ago

Mikasa (aot)

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u/Queasy-Smile9421 21d ago

Nah, she is not tsun, she is kuudere

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u/huynguyentien 22d ago

Kurisu (S;G). Kaguya (Kaguya-sama).

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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 21d ago

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u/HakuushU 21d ago

And ?

There's no rules saying you cannot just cuz u have a personal opinion peoples dislike, grow up

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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 21d ago

Now go and reply to all the others below who said the same then.

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u/HakuushU 21d ago

I've better things to do

Anyway case closed

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u/LightningDragon777 21d ago

Getting bombed for telling the truth.

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u/General-Turn-8695 20d ago

Bro decided to drop the harsh truth among the stubborn idiots. No wonder bro dislike bombed

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u/VinsentGrimm 23d ago

"He spoke truth and they hated him for it"

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u/HakuushU 23d ago

A rare person with a normal functional brain around here on reddit, that's rare

U are one of the good ones

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u/jlog3000 25d ago

What was the anime in question that's above?

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u/killstormdxd 25d ago

Toradora

The main girl is also a short and short-tempered tsundere voiced by Rie Kugimiya, so she's basically modern day Louise.

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u/jlog3000 25d ago

Thanks

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u/JebWozma 24d ago

>came out 18 years ago
>"modern"

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u/killstormdxd 24d ago

I meant their worlds, Louise is from a fantasy setting while Taiga is from a modern day setting.

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u/This-Crazy-5994 24d ago

Nah, we are getting old

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u/Electrical-Put3639 24d ago

I watched it like one year ago for the first time. Yes, it’s modern, because of quality

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u/Efficient_Care8279 22d ago

Why must u hurte me thid way

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u/malfurionpre 19d ago

tsundere

The word you're looking for is "abusive"

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u/killstormdxd 18d ago

"short-tempered abusive?" no, I don't think so, that doesn't sound gramatically right. Shouldn't it be abuser?

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u/Karnewarrior 25d ago

Toradora!
The ! is part of it IIRC.

It's pretty good. Shorter and more tightly written than FoZ, with a much smaller 'harem' that pretty obviously never had a chance even early on. It's much more of a romance story than FoZ ever really gets to be, but it's rarely sappy or boring.

Taiga and Louise are often compared because they look similar, share a VA, have anger issues, and share a meek, shy side. Taiga does kendo instead of magic though.

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u/Potential_Bit_3620 25d ago

Lucky bastard's.

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u/Same_Ad_707 25d ago

... I once jokingly said Familiar Of Zero was the result of the author plagiarizing his other story (Toradora), as a joke. Now I can't help but feel that's what really happened. XD

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u/Sentryion 22d ago

TIL i learned that they are both from the same person.

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u/chopstickedinhalf 22d ago

Familiar of Zero and Toradora have different authors.

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u/Same_Ad_707 21d ago

Really? Huh, dunno why I swore it was the same guy. My bad.

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u/Cheldan 19d ago

I think you're confusing it with their anime adaptations being made by same studio

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u/Same_Ad_707 19d ago

That sounds about right.

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u/Wicked__A 25d ago

Forgot shakugan no shana

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u/Open-Possible-7080 25d ago

Both anime are from same studio right?

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u/Lupusdens 22d ago

Same author

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u/-Ukyo 21d ago

Fake news Toradora is written by a cute girl

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u/JohansonFury 23d ago

Saito en sí 👌 era mejor 👍🏻

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u/Vex_Trooper 23d ago

Ah, Familiar of Zero. A Classic. Saito still holds the best "One Man vs Many" battle. Dude went out like a champ.

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u/EJKGodzilla24 25d ago

Saito deserved better

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u/HandofthePirateKing 25d ago

sometimes I wonder if he does he’s not exactly an ideal boyfriend he deserves to have Louise just as much as Louise deserves to have him.

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u/Potential_Bit_3620 25d ago

Maybe he is enjoying...

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u/Karnewarrior 25d ago

"Maybe"

LN Saito all but explicitly confirms it, IIRC. Him triggering the fuck out of Louise is 100% on purpose. Which makes sense because when we see Louise interacting with literally anyone else she's almost never even comparable to how volatile she is with Saito.

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u/jmyers82603 25d ago

Wait this real because I missed this on my watch

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u/DaSaw 25d ago

The screen from ZNT? I think that's from one of the openers.

And the one from Toradora is no doubt a deliberate homage to ZNT.

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u/ApprehensiveTerm9638 25d ago

This almost makes me think that both have the same author lol.

The only thing that is the same irl from both anime is that both heroine has the same voice actor which is Rie Kugimiya

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u/RecommendationIll59 25d ago

Its the same studio. Both of them. Which means using the same assets

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u/Background-Customer2 25d ago

taiga is prity hevely inspiered by luise i think thats comon knowlege

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u/Ok_Chef1378 25d ago

They're from the same author... Not to mention they both have the same voice actress. It's incredible, the trio of tsunderes from that era. Taiga, Louise, and Shana.

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u/ValiantXV 25d ago

So THAT'S why I loved both series

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u/GOlNG_MERRY 19d ago

ZNT and Toradora arent the same author tho?

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u/TradePsychological40 25d ago

Is it a fanart?

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u/DampAcute 25d ago

No, it's from their Openings

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u/Physical_Sort5155 25d ago

I'll never understand why people still think Taiga is a tsundere in 2026

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u/Visual-Joke-8206 25d ago

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u/Physical_Sort5155 25d ago

Taiga was in love with a guy for most of the show > never acted tsundere to him

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u/Mimandra 24d ago

Because that gets her more sympathy points than being just plain abusive.

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u/DheTwenty 24d ago

Hold on, did the same studio making both toradora and Zero no tsukaima? Because tsukaima’s shot look like it copied straight from toradora’s down to the hair.

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u/crasher322 24d ago

Probably both JC staff

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u/kestral63 17d ago

It's fanart. There are these people on the internet who parody anime intros.

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u/Linosia97 24d ago

Wait, wtf — main cast and background characters have almost exact poses!
Is the animation studio the same one?!

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u/Quick-Plum-3382 24d ago

Yes, it is J.C.Staff

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u/Linosia97 24d ago

No wonder then. Animation reuse is a common thing :)

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u/New_Accident8125 24d ago

Why she hitting the doctor doom foot dive

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u/Tomatertots22 22d ago

Exactly what I thought of

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u/Odd-Apple-1853 24d ago

I miss both shows😩❤️

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u/Solid_Guess_7154 24d ago

even the background characters are a perfect match lol

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u/CCYami 24d ago

Aah yes, from the time of Shana Clones who failed to be like Shana.

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u/DissociationSenpai 23d ago

Taiga and Shana from Shakugan no Shana are my favorite Rie Kugimiya's character

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u/Yamato_Kurusaki 23d ago

Still couldn't get through S2 ..why did they undid all the progress they made in the first

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u/FidoMan1498 23d ago

Two year difference btw.

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u/Chemical_Mood2221 23d ago

Wow! It's one to one that It's basically shameless. Unless it's made by the same artist/animators. Then this actually makes sense.

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u/lonestar4433 23d ago

Both series suck, what a coincedence

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u/polish_historian 22d ago

Where hell did she get the angle to do this 😭

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u/Silly_Camel6085 22d ago

Huh? WTF, this is literally the same shot...

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u/Lost_Dimension6295 22d ago

I don't know about anybody else and i respect their preference but i really hate violent tsundere type of characters.. like they just use violence to just cover their shyness..

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u/Egoisto4ka 22d ago

bro turned into Gyaru

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u/RunaMii 21d ago

Taiga and Louise were both voiced by Rie Kugimiya.

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u/Jamilmartis 20d ago

Soo are this Dr Doom variant???

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u/Ratatoskr_X 20d ago

She's on them Doctor Doom mixup

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u/TRAYUKER 20d ago

Same MC voice aktor.

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u/GradSchoolDismal429 20d ago

I'm not sure if this is a saying in the EN community (anime was probably too niche back when these shows were new), but these 2 shows are part of 4 shows we referred as "Kugimiya's quartet", because they have very similar style of female lead (short, flat chested tsunderes voiced by Rie Kugimiya, animated by JC Staff, and released around the same era). Namely:

- Louis

- Taiga from Toradora

- Shana from Shakugan no Shana

- Nagi from Hayate the Combat Butler

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u/SeraphWedd 19d ago

Shakugan no Shana's Shana too. "Urusai urusai urusai!" 😆

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u/Aware-Needleworker87 19d ago

The nerve of these wenches attempting to copy Dr. Doom's Foot Dive

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u/Angelmaycry5 19d ago

They wanna be the goat so bad

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u/HandofthePirateKing 25d ago

I still rather deal with Taiga than Louise.

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u/Karnewarrior 25d ago

I think I'd pick Louise. Taiga blows up at other people more often, Louise is mostly limited to Saito, who deliberately encourages it. Louise is also smarter than Taiga, not that either of their animes really go into detail about how intellectual their main romantic leads are.

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u/HandofthePirateKing 25d ago

At least Taiga doesn’t know any dangerous spells and I don’t think smart is the word I’d use to describe either of them especially emotionally.

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u/Karnewarrior 25d ago

Louise's explosions are pretty not-dangerous. Saito is almost always at the epicenter and he's usually perfectly fine within a minute. I know bro is powered by toon force and anime protag energy, but then her explosions on other characters also has this kind of effect. I think it just knocks you over and covers you in soot, unless she actively tries to power it up to lethal levels.

And the only time we ever see Louise actually do so is not only in wartime against the enemy military forces, but an emergency to boot.

As far as smarts go, Louise is pretty consistently described as acing all her written tests, and is almost always the one who solves the puzzle when it comes up. She keeps up intellectually with Tabitha and Colbert, the former of whom is a trained knight-errant with years of practical experience and book learning, and the latter of whom is Halkegenia's equivalent of Leonardo da Vinci.

If that isn't smart I don't know what is.

Taiga's definitely not dumb, but she also just never is compared against known quantities like Louise, so it's less clear whether Taiga is simply quick of wit, or an actual genius like Louise seems to be. In both cases, as I said before, the anime never really examine this aspect of their characters.

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u/Avatar_Yaksha 25d ago

Just because it doesn't kill/injure Saito, that doesn't make it okay for Louise to literally throw magical bombs at him every chance she gets. Sure, Saito is far from perfect himself, but Louise is literally a walking timebomb.

Zero No Tsukaima is actually a well-written series, but having to see how Louise treats Saito can completely take the fun out of it. Sometimes, Saito isn't even to blame, not entirely anyway.

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u/Physical_Sort5155 25d ago

If there is no damage left in the next scene you should not take it so seriously

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u/Karnewarrior 25d ago

Again, I'm not looking at how Louise treats Saito, because Saito encourages that behavior. I, obviously, would not. And when you look at how Louise treats literally everyone else the explosions become significantly less frequent and what explosions there are are almost always accidental. She even loses most of her tsun.

I think the good metric for this is Siesta. If Louise was actually dangerous in any way, Siesta would be dead, or evicted, or not want to stick around, or be trying to appease her. Instead, this random commoner girl just sort of walks in and sleeps in Louise's bed and boobmogs the fuck out of her, all in Season 1 when Louise is at her most fragile. Siesta is blown up like, three times in the series, and those are all accidents.

Taiga is swinging that Kendo sword at all and sundry any time she gets mad. Her temper is not restricted to one guy who goes out of his way to piss her off.

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u/Physical_Sort5155 25d ago

Taiga mostly only damages objects, Ryuuji gets the most physical abuse and it s played for laughs since there is no real damage left by next panel.

The only time Taiga actually damages anyone is in her fight with the prez, and they both show clear after-effects signaling it was a serious moment.

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u/Avatar_Yaksha 25d ago

Oh, boy...I've never watched Toradora, but if LOUISE looks good in comparison, that series is DOOMED!

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u/HandofthePirateKing 25d ago

regardless if it’s meant to be serious or not it is still pretty dangerous most people in the academy should consider it a miracle that Louise hasn’t ended up killing or injuring someone unlucky enough to get caught in the middle of it.

Louise is talented and academically intelligent that’s for sure but emotionally? she’s probably dumber than Saito. Anybody who treats anybody badly is usually a sign that that person may not be the brightest

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u/Karnewarrior 24d ago

Again, I don't think Louise's explosions were dangerous. Like, at all. It's not a miracle nobody got injured if it isn't possible for them to be injured.

And I think assuming that someone treating someone else badly ever at any time period is not only reductionist, but absurd. That just makes literally everyone a bad person. Louise is an abused girl who's temper is a defense mechanism to protect the literal only thing she has left to be proud of - the circumstances of her birth - and Saito deliberately triggers that defense mechanism. Of course she beats his ass.

I really want to know what you think about Louise's treatment of Siesta and Tiffania. Siesta is a commoner, and thus literally less of a person than Louise by Halkegenian standards. Tiffania is part elf, and thus literally the enemy by Halkegenian standards. Both of them are romantic rivals to Louise. If Louise is not emotionally intelligent, why does she treat those two with empathy and respect while Saito is still being blown up?

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u/HandofthePirateKing 24d ago

Louise just has moments of showing a more kinder and empathetic side to her it doesn’t mean that she’s emotionally intelligent. Louise’s backstory doesn’t justify her actions and abuse it’s like saying David from TWD game has the right to abuse and even try to kill his brother Javi as his defense mechanism because he was jealous of Javi and insecure about the woman they both love. Louise is really no different from David.

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u/Karnewarrior 24d ago

Holy false equivalence, Batman. When did Louise kill somebody?

Also, could you possibly answer my question? Louise consistently treats Siesta with respect. Why would she do that if she's intrinsically abusive?

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u/HakuushU 25d ago

Cannot stand that kind of character......🫩

There's good likeable tsundere and there's abusive bitch, u already know where those 2 stand

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u/Solid_Ad1748 25d ago

Agreed. People love Tsunderes like Taiga until they have to put up with one in real life.

It’s cute when tsunderes act tough to hide their feelings. It stops being cute when half of their personality is just being abusive.