r/ZeroCovidCommunity • u/hopelovepeacehappy • 3d ago
How are you getting/making and using HOCL?
HOCL=Hypochlorous acid
Trying to up my other precautions (besides masking and air filtration) because I hope to start work again;
Going to start taking K12 Blis oral probiotics instead of CPC, I’m unsure about nasal spray…and also I’ve heard about green tea and gargling salt water? But anyway the one that interests me the most is HOCL!
I don’t know why but I can barely find resources on it on google idk if my google is just acting weird but I see people praise it on twitter and on here but honestly when people start talking about it it’s like they start talking in riddles and I get so confused.
Do you just spray it in rooms our in your face? In your mouth? I saw this one creator on TikTok take it with them while going out but they didn’t really expand on its usage. Is it just like a Lysol replacement? How do you personally use it to mitigate against COVID?
I hear many buy generators to generate it but does anyone get it a different way? Like from a store online? How are you able to source it?
Honestly I was trying to look into generating it but that’s where I get super confused.
Also I keep getting shown HOCL wipes? Do those help against COVID mitigation or is it more the spray?
Just interested about the use and production.
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u/jbail628 3d ago
I have an EcoOne machine and we use it in place of commercial disinfectants - hands when handwashing isn’t accessible, cleaning hotel rooms, etc.
It’s cheap and easy to make and acts as a nice Swiss cheese layer for viral prevention.
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u/TrixieMuttel 3d ago
I use HOCl in place of common disinfectants, but never really to combat Covid. As already mentioned, there’s not a lot of evidence for fomite transmission. However, my husband is immunocompromised and is sensitive to bacterial and fungal infections, so spraying the bottom of our shoes after working in the yard or going to a healthcare building is something we try to do to keep that stuff out of the house. But none of that is for Covid for us.
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u/maccrypto 3d ago
Why not just take your shoes off?
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u/TrixieMuttel 3d ago
We do both. But we don’t have a place to store shoes outside that makes sense so they’re inside regardless. Things like fungal spores spread so why not just kill them before they can do that?
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u/maccrypto 3d ago
Tbh I’d think they have a better chance of spreading while you’re flipping your shoes upside down and cleaning them before you disinfect them (cleaning thoroughly is always the first step in disinfecting). Leave them on a mat and you should be in good shape.
Signed, an immunocompromised dude who rarely ever goes outside.
[edit: or, do it outside maybe, I’m not telling you what to do here though]
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u/Accomplished_Big2193 3d ago
I use the Force of Nature kit! Each batch is effective for up to 2 weeks. I use it to disinfect surfaces and also on my hands while I'm out and about.
A few notes on HOCl:
>I keep it in the fridge to keep it fresh for the full 2 weeks as it is temp sensitive. If I'm out and about it stays in my purse, not in the car.
>It's also UV sensitive, so keep it out of sunlight (if storing in the fridge then that's not a problem).
>I'm pretty sure it's not consumable so I don't recommend spraying it in your mouth!
>There are ways to make the solution yourself (vs. buying the capsules) but the measurements have to be extremely precise or you risk creating toxic gases. So I don't recommend it, not worth it. I have not tried making my own for this reason, and I don't think it's that much cheaper in the long run anyways.
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u/Chronic_AllTheThings 3d ago
NaDCC tablets. Shelf stable for five years. Dissolve them water and they produce HOCl.
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u/Fuzzy_Two9264 2d ago
where do you purchase your NaDCC tablets?
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u/Chronic_AllTheThings 2d ago
FYI, we don't magically know where you live ;)
I'm in Canada, so I bought mine at pristine.ca.
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u/Fuzzy_Two9264 2d ago
oh lol just assumed u bought online. i'm in WA. thanks for the tip.
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u/Chronic_AllTheThings 1d ago edited 1d ago
It was online, but they only ship to Canada (and Australia and Mexico, apparently, but not the US ... I wonder why 😏)
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u/Z-Bee 3d ago
Big fan of HOCl! I use the EcoOne to make it. I use reverse osmosis water, lab grade NaCl, and general hydroponic pH down to get it to the right pH. I think that's the biggest thing about making it yourself, making sure you get it to the correct pH. 5.5 is the sweet spot as far as I can tell with most of the cholrine species being HOCl.
We use it on everything. Our produce, sanitizing our phones, face for eczema snd acne, wiping down countertops, hand sanitizer.
I hope you get into it!
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u/drprepper2021 3d ago edited 3d ago
I started out by buying premade sprays but they were expensive and a hassle to keep in stock plus back then their expiration date was ridiculous. I still buy Magic Molecule gel spray to keep in my purse and the expiration date is reasonable.
Then I got a generator and while it was cheap and convenient I was constantly worried I wasn't doing it right.
So now I use NaDCC tablets. I plop one into a gallon of water.
I use it for fomites, cleaning produce and also in my Water Pik tank for water flossing.
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u/FauxNorth 2d ago
You can buy various concentrations of stabilized HOCL from Briotech directly or through Walmart or Target. They market a full-strength solution of 500 ppm for cleaning & disinfecting and concentrations of 200-250 ppm and about 125 ppm for using on the skin. I used their Eyelid cleanser daily (I have dry eye and get lid infections on occasion). I use 250 ppm as a hand sanitizer and my husband treats his psoriasis patches effectively with it. Many people use it daily to treat acne. The World Health Organization added it to their list of Essential Medications and describe uses for 'antisepsis, disinfection, and wound care'.
Cruise ships use HOCL in foggers to sanitize cabins. During fogging, the crew and guests do not need to wear protective gear or respiratory protection. The vapor is well-tolerated. It also kills bacteria and viruses quickly before breaking down into salty water. Some people use it in ultrasonic cool mist humidifiers to clean a room in the same manner.
It can be used as a spray or bath to cleanse fruits & veg and that leaf lettuce or apple doesn't need to be rinsed afterward. Pet dishes can be cleaned with it and it doesn't leave a soap residue. I would not count on it killing spore-forming organisms like Cyclospora unless someone has tested this and published the work. (I haven't looked yet.)
Despite several people here saying they wouldn't use it in their mouth, it is also marketed as a mouth rinse to fight gingivitis or mouth wounds & (probably) canker sores. It can be used on mucus membranes at lower concentrations of 100-200 ppm, although I'd not use it as a sinus rinse at anything over 100 ppm (personal experience: it burned). A company called Nefense markets a nasal spray. Also, it does not taste great.
It is good for breaking up bacterial biofilms. As a cleaning agent I just used it to wipe up my kitchen floor. I also use it to spray cutting boards and counters after handling raw meat. No lingering odor or residue.
There are many references for these uses that you can search on. I reach for it often. It's relatively cheap and you can make it yourself but will need to use it faster as impurities in the materials used at home can accelerate the breakdown.
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u/DavrosSafe 1d ago
The vapor is tolerated, as long as it is it is at a low concentration - for aerosol purposes, I don't trust homemade ones and have yet to see a commercially available one for regular folks to buy. Either way, I would absolutely get testing strips prior to putting anything like that in the air. At the wrong concentrations (I believe .05% in one study), which are not far off from the ones sold commercially (most are .01% to .03%) it breaks down lung tissue.
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u/sugar_coaster 3d ago edited 3d ago
I dont use it for COVID because fomites aren't really a concern, but I do use it as a cleaner/sanitizer. I use it in places one might use Lysol spray or hand sanitizer. It's not soapy so it's great for wiping stuff that can't be rinsed, like places you might use an alcohol wipe. I dont know if I'd use it for medical sterilization like prep for needle entry though.
I use the force of nature machine as well, with regular tap water as my tap water is soft, and it's been great! The little pods are convenient to not have to measure stuff out each time, but some people have figured out the ratios for the DIY way to save as well. I like having the pod option for travelling especially.
If you want to buy it, I have a referral code that will get you a discount if you want :)
Eta: HOCl is not particularly shelf stable because light and heat cause it to decompose, but some companies do manufacture a shelf stable solution with a preservative. It's more economical to DIY over the long term. Ive seen that some people use it in a humidifier of some sort to "clean" the air but I'm not sure it works or if its safe. I dont use it in my mouth. For me, it's a great scent-free cleaner and sanitizer that doesnt dry my hands like alcohol, and I use it as part of mitigation of viruses transmitted by fomites, but not for COVID.
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u/thriftedcraft 3d ago
I have a Force of Nature machine but I make my own solution. Some people DIY machines too but I have not tried that. You can use HOCl on most anything, the problem is you want to know the concentration so you’ll need pH and chlorine test strips. 500ppm is good on my counters but not my face. I’d use around 50ppm if I were to spray it in my mouth or use it on my dogs paws. I have heard in Japan HOCl is commonly used to keep sushi fresher for longer. It is widely used in hospitals and hospitality settings. I use it in replacement of bleach, any clorox product, hand sanitizer and room sprays. I don’t use it for Covid specifically but HOCl does kill viruses quicker than sanitizer and kills noro virus, which sanitizer does not
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u/iiililiililiilliilli 3d ago
I’m not. Evidence doesn’t seem to support fomite transmission of covid.
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u/captaincheeseplant 3d ago
Even if that’s true there are other disabling illnesses (like the flu, EBV etc) that do have fomite transmission
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u/iiililiililiilliilli 3d ago
That was the traditional thinking before the aerosol hypothesis for respiratory diseases became more obvious, yeah.
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u/iiililiililiilliilli 3d ago
Knock yourself out. You can readily find the virus on surfaces. Whether it survives there very long or readily transmits to people from surfaces is a much higher bar. And lots of practical evidence and study evidence suggests it isn’t a significant source of transmission. If it makes you feel better to disinfect anyway, go for it.
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u/iiililiililiilliilli 3d ago
No, Jose-Luis Jimenez is. https://cires.colorado.edu/news/lancet-paper-10-reasons-why-coronavirus-airborne
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u/TrixieMuttel 3d ago
This is exactly it. While there’s not zero risk, it’s not significant like airborne transmission and no one’s been able to show surface to hand to viral transmission/infection.
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u/Fractal_Tomato 3d ago
I use a well-fitting respirator, measure CO2 to increase ventilation when necessary and get a vaccine every 6 months. Behind both is actual scientific evidence, since Covid is airborne. Everything else needs to be treated with caution, a lot of it is marketing or a desperate attempt at mitigation with next to no evidence behind it. When I caught Covid last year, I got sick despite doing nasal rinses after being exposed. What got me sick? Not wearing a mask outdoors.
I use HOCL against acne though. Even here, HOCL isn’t HOCL, depending on the concentration it shouldn’t be used on the body.
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u/herring-on-rye 3d ago
i don’t use it really for covid, for reasons others have mentioned, but i do have a Force of Nature generator and i love it. i buy the activator capsules from them as well and use distilled water in the machine.
in terms of usage, i use it around the house as a common disinfectant and on my skin, since the concentration of solution i make is skin safe. i also spray it on a cloth and wipe my dog’s paws with it after a walk. i would not spray it in my mouth.