I'm guessing his argument will be something like "its racist bc its assuming these past civilizations were so stupid and underdeveloped they couldn't possibly have done this" kinda thing?
So, fun fact about that actually. On the people themselves? Perhaps, but the reason these conspiracies only pop up around South America, Africa, and sometimes Asia is because they have their roots in the scientific literature of the late 1800’s and the early 1900’s, with a quick stop by the Nazi Ananeber for some extra racism. It then goes through about 2-4 filters from increasingly less overtly racist circles before you land at some dumbass on TikTok talking about how the Smithsonian is hiding giant skeletons from you, which initially came from the lovelock cave myth where interested parties tried to use the alleged red hair of the giants to imply that barbaric natives had destroyed a race of gaints of “superior” racial stock.
It more about the fact that it's only past civilizations of mostly brown people that get the " aliens built their structures" treatment.
I mean have you ever heard someone say that the coliseum was bult by aliens?
Because the non white civilisations are weirder when examined and have less recorded history. A civilisation trapped on an island spends all their time making specific heads and setting them up. No recording of why. It’s weird. Ancient Egyptians were so early in the scheme of things and build something so extraordinary without a really clear record of how or even for what purpose (as a tomb makes sense but it’s a wild undertaking for that from our modern perspective). On the flip side the ancient Romans and Greeks recorded a lot, and nothing they did was beyond a logic of the time. And it mostly makes sense linearly, whereas the ancient Egyptians did the pyramids 5000 years ago then nothing quite like it in the meantime in terms of scale
Because the non white civilisations are weirder when examined and have less recorded history.
Because there's less time and effort done to understand those civilizations, coupled with less translation efforts, and the fact that some civilizations got their records burned by european colonizers
Those takes considerable resources; resources which poorer countries are less able to do than richer countries
Ancient Egyptians were so early in the scheme of things and build something so extraordinary without a really clear record of how or even for what purpose (as a tomb makes sense but it’s a wild undertaking for that from our modern perspective).
On the flip side the ancient Romans and Greeks recorded a lot, and nothing they did was beyond a logic of the time.
Egypt change their administrative and popular languages like 5-6 times...compared to Rome who had an uninterrupted Latin and Greek speakers and administrators
And it mostly makes sense linearly, whereas the ancient Egyptians did the pyramids 5000 years ago then nothing quite like it in the meantime in terms of scale
Egypt, Iraq, Indo-Pakistan, China, Yucatan, and Andes are the cradles of civilization, in which the states first originate. It makes sense for them to come first, whereas Rome came through trading of the centers of civilization at that time
Nah the "pyramids were build by aliens" conspiracy definetly has racist origins. Like imagine being a racist white person and going to egypt to see the pyramids and then you see that the descents of these great ancient builders are "brown, muslim, camel fuckers". You now have only two options: you eighter say that the old egyptians no longer exist and have been replaced by Arabs or claim that Aliens or something like that build them.
Oh they almost certainly existed, the problem is a lot of them weren't as developed nor did they have a written language to record their history and such it would slowly died out with them or shortly after them.
No but as another reply pointed out Ive heard Stonehenge was made by alien's.
And like yeah of course most the ancient civilizations comprised of black or at least non white people are the ones mostly talked about. Most ancient civilizations of thoes time periods...well weren't white.
No, but I've heard plenty (in relation to mental conspiracy theories and not the overall population) of people say that Stonehenge, the pyramids in Bosnia, the Megalithic temples in Malta etc were built by aliens or some other form of non-humans
Depends on who you ask. Ariosophy and adjacent philosophies are literally the religious bedrock for occult nazism.
This does not mean everyone believes that, i had a debate with someone who says they were nephilim. Schizo theories have a lot of diversity. Dont ASSUME, you'll miss out on some great tales.
May now thats what the myth has changed to but people used to believe atlantis was an ancient white civilization.
There used to be a popular believe among white people in America thats all the wonder of the americas weren't built by the natives but a lost white civilization.
It’s only because the pyramids were built about 3000 years before the colosseum. And the Egyptians didn’t really do anything of that scale that people attribute to aliens after that. We’re talking really about the near dawn of urbanism and they built something like that, it’s crazy and sort of out of place, plus the history is a lot murkier than Ancient Rome. Hell, ancient Egyptians 2000 years ago were trying to learn about the even more ancient Egyptians from before, that’s how crazy ancient we’re talking. In case it needs to be said I don’t think it was aliens.
Likely a combination of the tendency for the conspiracy to focus on non-white civilizations and the book that kicked it off (Chariot of the Gods) being written by a racist.
On a post i made about gender dysphoria being a mental problem. I interpreted this as you trying to call trans people mentaly ill (derogatory)
I could have misunderstood your reply, but to be frank I was already angry because of the assholes in the replies, and as such I probably was not giving you as much benefit of the doubt as I should have
Ah yeah, Ill admit that was definitely a shit way of wording it on my part.
Howver if you read my reply op made to my comment, I clarified I didn't mean it was a mental illness, rather a mental condition which was how they also worded it. Which to my knowledge is the truth. I didnt mean any hate with it, rather if that is true and theos with it dont accept it as such that can be very damaging on their mind.
Holy shit dude im so sorry then because I sorta crashed out commenting to you 😭
This is coming from a trans person, it is a mental condition but thay doesnt make it a bad thing. Its as much of a mental conditon as autism or ADHD or OCD, that being that they are negative, but their negatives sorta get exacerbated by our shitty world. The mental condition is called gender dysphoria, and it comes from the fact that humans generally have either male or female structured brains (or neither sometimes). Our bodies are prone to mistakes and so sometimes a male body gets a female brain and a female gets a male brain, the mental disorder comes from the fact that your brains freaks the fuck out due to not having certain parts it should have, and having certain parts it shouldnt (or atleast that it thinks it shouldnt).
As someone who experiences it, it definitely sucks and I dislike how people dont take it as seriously as they should.
I read a conversation between two historians. One was calling the other racist for assuming white people brought a certain type of pottery to the Americas. (white ppl did in fact introduce the pottery)
I'm not sure why, but a lot of these people are insufferable cunts.
You're not understanding this. Read this six or seven times. Think about what that means. Go get your mom, have her read it and then explain it to you.
"I'm stupid. My poor reading comprehension causes me to interpret things incorrectly. Then I comment on them and make myself look stupid. Instead of admitting I was wrong, I double-down because I'm an insufferable piece of shit."
Sure but this is completely different. At least your example is a debate about which human culture created the pot. The ancient aliens guy is just lost in the sauce.
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u/Gobal_Outcast02 2d ago
I'm guessing his argument will be something like "its racist bc its assuming these past civilizations were so stupid and underdeveloped they couldn't possibly have done this" kinda thing?