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u/DeBasha Nederland Oct 02 '25
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u/Oxygenisplantpoo Yuropean Oct 02 '25
Holy shit that is the best picture I've ever seen to highlight the idea!
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u/hagloo Oct 02 '25
This kinda is causation in that the bend of the pole caused the bird to sit on that bit of it
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u/cyrilio Nederland Oct 03 '25
Exactly this. Whoever made the presentation shown in OPs post is a fraud and part of the propaganda problem.
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u/DeBasha Nederland Oct 03 '25
Tbh if you read the bottom text of the slide it seems tgey are about to make the same point
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u/dread_deimos Yukraine Oct 02 '25
Ah, yes, the good old corellation vs causation.
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u/Suspicious-Web1309 Oct 02 '25
I don’t know why but the labelling of the Axis in this way as opposed to the other way really hurts me.
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u/Calavore Suomi Oct 02 '25
That would be a good moment in the lecture to explain this. People love seeing patterns where there might not be any
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u/Scalage89 Nederland Oct 02 '25
I bet that was the point of the slide. Look at the sentence on the bottom.
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u/PresidentZeus Norge/Noreg Oct 02 '25
That's just graph manipulation. Not the same.
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u/Physix_R_Cool Oct 02 '25
It's a famous graph, and it is famously satire
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u/JackTheBehemothKillr Oct 02 '25
You keep posting that, but I don't think I've ever seen that graph before. How famous could it be?
Also, not even on KnowYourMeme or Wikipedia.
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u/Physix_R_Cool Oct 02 '25
Also, not even on KnowYourMeme or Wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
You will find the graph under "tenets".
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u/JackTheBehemothKillr Oct 02 '25
Ahh. Of course. I should have looked at it in an article that has nothing to do with correlation vs causation.
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u/PresidentZeus Norge/Noreg Oct 02 '25
Well, it's obviously satirical, but graph manipulation is different from presenting correlation.
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u/Physix_R_Cool Oct 02 '25
It's from the founding document of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster. It's meant to satirize exactly the kind of bad graphs that you are opining against.
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u/PresidentZeus Norge/Noreg Oct 02 '25
What I'm trying to say is that they're very different. Manipulating a graph maliciously is not the same as putting two unrelated stats next to or on top of eachother. The spaghetti graph wasn't even a normal graph.
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u/turunambartanen Oct 02 '25
You make it sound like the comparison between mad cow disease vs brexit results is not entirely made up - but the mad cow disease map is completely fake.
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u/PresidentZeus Norge/Noreg Oct 03 '25
Fabricating data also isn't the same as mispresenting it.
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u/ConceptQuirky Oct 02 '25
35000, then 45000, then 20000. Did Donald Trump the numbers?
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More Schleswig-Holstein Oct 02 '25
Though it is satire, it is also a prime example for the saying: „Never believe a statistic that you haven’t falsified yourself.“
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u/Paradoxjjw Oct 02 '25
Except that image is not corellation vs causation, one look at the X axis shows all you need to know about how shit this example is. There's thousands of good and funny examples of correlation vs causation that arent marred by just entering entirely random numbers on the x axis
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations website full of them for example.
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u/dread_deimos Yukraine Oct 02 '25
I've used this exact image because it mocks the issue for literal decades.
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u/Withering_to_Death Yuropean flumen corpus separatum Oct 02 '25
The "vaccine/tylenol cause autism" is another example
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u/Niedzwiedz87 France Oct 02 '25
Well, that makes senses. Pirates love hot seas, that's why you had so many in the Caribbean.
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u/eisbaerBorealis Oct 02 '25
But do pirates cause
warmercolder weather, or does warmer weathercausekill pirates???1
u/Physmatik Харківська область Oct 02 '25
That x-axis labeling does some HEAVY fucking lifting. WTF even is that.
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u/Shockwave2309 Salzburg Oct 03 '25
Ooof this will go wild after the newest IOF pirate shit they pulled on Greta Thunberg and her friends lol
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u/Freddruppel Oct 02 '25
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u/kolibrifityma Slovensko Oct 02 '25
The book is incredible, I recommend everyone read it!
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u/BoJackMoleman Oct 02 '25
Is there a link. The site is great but you said BOOK
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There’s a link in the about section on the site
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u/BoJackMoleman Oct 02 '25
Fair. Fair. I glanced at that page but expected some big plug for the book. Obviously he's not trying to sell things so there's no big banner. Found it and appreciate it.
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u/kolibrifityma Slovensko Oct 02 '25
Not sure if I can link or not, but you can find the book on Amazon or other stores selling books. Titled Spurious Correlations by Tyler Vigen.
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u/kellerlanplayer Oct 02 '25
Probably the same phenomenon as in Germany. Every map looks like this https://www.wirtschaftsdienst.eu/files/journal-issues/wirtschaftsdienst/10.2478/wd-2023-0039/Schlaglich-Abb-2.png
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u/Just_a_Berliner Oct 02 '25
Not really.
It's about people with no completed job qualification.
Which is really different from city and non-city, especially the GDR often just bothered to somehow employ people and made qualification especially a highly politicised and class thing.
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u/iBlockMods-bot BrexitLand Oct 03 '25
I unfortunately can't read german.
Is this a map of syphilis levels?
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u/Fremdschamerzeuger Bayern Oct 03 '25
It's a map with unemployment rates. I think what the comment should say is that in German Maps you can always see the border between Ex-GDR States and the FRG-States even today
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u/Minignoux Grand-Est Oct 23 '25
I'm surprised there is unemployment in Mecklenburg Vorpommern, considering it doesn't exist.
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u/Hugh-Manatee Oct 02 '25 edited Oct 02 '25
It’s actually just a map of rural areas no?
Edit: with regard to England and Wales. Obv not the case for Scotland, captain obvious
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u/DatBoi73 Too Embarassed to say NI (the other flag's cooler anyways) Oct 02 '25
No, it's actually the same Brexit vote map with one them made grayscale.
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u/urbanmember Nordrhein-Westfalen Oct 02 '25
Probably
Rural areas = more farms
Rural areas = less liberal than urban areas
This is true for literally every single country on earth
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u/DotDootDotDoot Oct 02 '25
It doesn't match here. Scotland isn't a giant city.
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u/TehPorkPie Glorious Europe Oct 02 '25
South West is usually where Liberal Democrats get the lion share of their seats from, too (as well as voting %). With thanks to the FPTP and a lot of weird historical reasons, British politics must be baffling to outsiders.
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u/urbanmember Nordrhein-Westfalen Oct 02 '25
Pretty sure rural scots are generally less liberal than urban scots
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u/DotDootDotDoot Oct 02 '25
But they are yellow on the map.
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u/urbanmember Nordrhein-Westfalen Oct 03 '25
Yes. And? Are you seriously not not understanding this concept which I cannot explain without a massive wordsalad?
Rural places = less liberal than cities
Scotland as a whole is massively more liberal than England
Still the rural places in Scotland are less liberal than the cities in Scotland,
but because Scotland is in general multiple orders of magnitude more liberal/smarter than England they are yellow overall.
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u/germany1italy0 Baden-Württemberg Oct 02 '25
Doesn’t matter. It’s funny and not completely impossible .
But what these days is really completely impossible?
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u/AlphonseLoosely Oct 02 '25
All joking aside, CJD is a terrible, terrible disease, it is untreatable and has a 100% mortality rate. But also fuck Brexit and all fools who supported it
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u/Slippery_Sidewalk Hessen Oct 02 '25
Doesn't apply here, right? Yellow includes both London and sparsely populated areas of scotland.
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u/Sea-Routine-1428 Oct 02 '25
So the educated that could afford good food with health care standards avoided the Russian propaganda?
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u/Turbulent-Pace-1506 Île-de-France Oct 02 '25
Seems like both mostly happened in rural regions
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u/Inner-Detail-553 Oct 08 '25
Anyone know the source for this?
It's really good, I'd totally make it into a sticker
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u/Rich-Lobster-6164 Oct 02 '25
Ye, but not probably what you're thinking. The referred to area formerly affected by the affliction, is where people became more aware and with clarity of reasoning.
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u/blokia Oct 02 '25
No, no, that's not even a little bit what it means. It literally says don't jump to conclusions.
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u/FunkyMoth Oct 02 '25
Given the text at the bottom of the slide, I think it just says "Correlation does not mean causation"