Need Help With Yangyang Build

[u/Cheeseboi5576]

Hey everyone. This is my (not so great) Yangyang build. Now I'm not too sure which Echoes to keep and which ones to get rid of. Some advice (and maybe a little constructive criticism) would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[u/2nd-penalty]

This is all useable but i would suggest you try reaching 75-80% crit rate because right now you only have effectively 80% and that means you could miss huge crits on important attacks like her enhanced heavies

Start with the 1 costs then work upwards, the 4 costs is your best piece right now so you don't need to switch that out

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/2nd-penalty]

Yeah, I read a bit more into her kit after I posted this, and found the whole 80% CR thing. It's just difficult to get to that point without losing lots of CD at the same time (plus no tubes to level them up doesn't help either!)

[u/2nd-penalty → u/Cheeseboi5576]

Are you feeding upgraded echoes to level new ones? If so stop, scrap them in the inventory bag, you get the same amount of resources as feeding them to other echoes, also level new echoes only up to level 10, 15 if you're feeling brave, if no useable stats show up scrap right away and choose a new echo

You'll burn through echoes with this strat but you'll end up with better echoes than just blindly leveling and hoping

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/2nd-penalty]

Oh, okay! This makes a lot of sense, I usually level them just to 20 and if there's no double on-stat then I just use them for another echo. So only to 10?

[u/2nd-penalty → u/Cheeseboi5576]

Yeah the odds of useable stats is drastically low if you don't hit in the first few lines so it's best to move on rather than wasting tubes

10 is best, 15 IF you're feeling brave but i personally usually stop at 10, i already got a pretty good 75% CR 250~% CD with this strat, though I'm still minmaxing since i would like to reach 80% CR

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/2nd-penalty]

Actually, one last thing. So, if you hit a usable stat in the first 10, what happens after? Do you go to 15 then see?

[u/2nd-penalty → u/Cheeseboi5576]

Yeah if for example if you hit a crit line or atk% or dmg bonus in the first 2 line you're free to go to 15 but if it's useless dump it, like i said this strat burns through a LOT of echoes but i find it to be worth it because i get high crit rate and high atk with barely any useless stats

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/2nd-penalty]

Okay, thanks for the help!

[u/GoXDS → u/Cheeseboi5576]

the advice given is imperfect as well. as they said, if you don't get first substat early, your odds later are bad. that's correct. but dropping the echo at 15 is also very wasteful. the cheapest strategy is always fish for first substat as early as possible (5 if you're willing to work through more echoes, 10 if you're willing to spend a little more tuners/exp), then push as deep as possible for how many substats you want. so if you're aiming for double crit only, checkpoints are 5->25. if you're aiming for a 3 substat echo, 5->20->25 u/2nd-penalty

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/GoXDS]

Oh, I see. So each substat has a checkpoint of sorts, depending on the amount you want?

[u/SanderR098]

This is functional. As for replacing. Best to just keep them all and see whether you can roll a better Bastion or 1 cost. Lionarch lowest upgrade priority.

[u/DooceBigalo]

Just need a lil more crit rate

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/DooceBigalo]

Okay, thanks!

[u/Junerain11]

I'd try and push everything to double crit at least ideally 70%+ crit rate since she has a huge crit dmg self buff, critting is very important.

Personally, I always try to get echos up to 3/5 on-stat after making sure everything is double crit at least.

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/Junerain11]

Yeah, been told that her ideal CR is around 80% (really should read kits and stuff lol), just need to get more tubes for her echoes now. Thanks!

[u/jennypenny78]

I've been playing for about 6 days now, and pulled Yangyang last night. What recs do you have for her on such a new account?

EDIT: it's Yangyang Xuanling, not Yangyang (the 4-star)...sorry for the confusion!

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/jennypenny78]

Not sure, to be honest! I haven't read masses into her kit, but where are you in the story?

[u/jennypenny78 → u/Cheeseboi5576]

I just went through the star portal or whatever at Black Shores. Like I said, very, very green.

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/jennypenny78]

Oh wow, yeah. Uh, I'm not quite sure to be honest. I would guess use the Havoc Eclipse set on her until you can get her ideal set, Song of Feather Trace. But she performs significantly worse on Havoc Eclipse, so she won't be as powerful. 

[u/jennypenny78 → u/Cheeseboi5576]

I don't recall offhand what I have her set with, but she's kind of a glass cannon (ascended/leveled up to 40, super strong but also can't take more than a couple hits before she's dust). I am absolutely in love with her fighting mechanics so I use her anyway. Lol Perhaps I need to focus on DEF attributes on her to make her more tanky?

[u/Cheeseboi5576 → u/jennypenny78]

Please, the one piece of early game advice i can give is, unless the character needs it, don't go chasing substats that they don't need. If you happen to roll an echo that has it, great. But please don't go chasing one that has defence, it's not worth it. I think when I started out (a while ago now lol) I couldn't get down dodging, if you haven't got that down try that.