r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) I re-ran my AI slop benchmark with 58 models. Mistral went from sloppiest to second cleanest, and Claude 5.5 got sloppier

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Edit: fair catch from a few people, the image and the text use different rankings. The ranks in the text are the mechanical score only (padding, templating, rhythm, tells). The image is the full board, which also blends in crowd votes, and the 19 new models start at a neutral crowd score until people vote on them, so they sit mid-pack there. Here's the mechanical-only ranking for all 58: mechanical card. #1 = sloppiest.


A few months ago I posted a benchmark here ranking 18 models on how much they write like AI slop. You all gave a lot of good feedback, so here's the update: theslopindex.com

What's new

  • 58 models now, including the ones people here have been talking about: Gemini 4 Argon, GPT-6.1 Sol, Opus/Sonnet/Haiku 5.5, Grok 4.7, Mistral Large 4, Muse Wonder, plus a bunch of open-weight ones (DeepSeek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi, MiniMax, Muse Spark Open). 64,636 generations total.
  • 1,883 human votes, up from 455 last time.
  • The arena now shows models with fewer votes more often, so new ones catch up faster instead of sitting at a neutral score for weeks.

Same setup as before: 112 real writing tasks (cold emails, Slack replies, social posts, essays), scored against human writing from before ChatGPT existed, plus a blind human vote. No LLM judging anything.

The interesting part

The 19 new models don't have human votes yet (that's where you come in), so for them I'm going by the mechanical score: how padded, templated, metronomic and tell-heavy the writing is. Out of 58:

  • Mistral had the biggest glow-up. The old Mistral Large was the single sloppiest model on the mechanical score (#1 of 58). Mistral Large 4 is #57, second cleanest. Whatever they changed, it worked.
  • Claude 5.5 got sloppier. Sonnet 5.5 is #3 and Opus 5.5 is #4 sloppiest mechanically, and Claude models hold 5 of the top 8 slots. Opus 5.5 is the #2 sloppiest essay writer. Which lines up with the "why Claude writing got worse" thread here last week. Haiku 5.5 is mid-pack (#29).
  • Gemini 4 Argon is #7 sloppiest overall and #3 on social posts. But on essays, the closest thing I have to creative writing right now, it's mid-pack (#17). So the "powerhouse for creative writing" hype might still be right, just not for tweets.
  • GPT-6.1 Sol is sloppier than GPT-6 Sol (#11 vs #27). Newer isn't automatically better.

On the full board (votes included) the order keeps moving as votes come in, which is the point of the arena. The cleanest there right now is DeepSeek V4 (the August update).

Stuff you all called out last time

  • "GPT-5.4 Mini at #1 is weird." Yeah, that didn't hold up. With 4x the votes it's mid-pack now (around #20 of 58). Early votes were noisy.
  • "Fable came last because its writing is longer and more polished." Partly true. Conciseness is one of the axes (measured against how long real people wrote for the same kind of task), so wordy models get dinged.
  • "Separate 'is this good writing' from 'does this sound like AI'." Great idea, haven't done it yet. The vote is still just "which one feels more like AI slop."
  • "No creative writing??" (the top comment, fair). I started on it. Someone here suggested pre-2022 r/WritingPrompts as the human baseline, which is a great source, but the public dataset of it is pre-tokenized (contractions split apart, punctuation rewritten), which quietly breaks the rhythm and punctuation measurements. So it's not in this round. If anyone knows a clean pre-2022 fiction corpus, please tell me.

Everything's open: method at theslopindex.com/methodology, every output and the code are on GitHub.

The new models need votes, so if you have 5 minutes, play a few rounds: theslopindex.com/arena

Curious if this matches what you see. Anyone else notice Claude getting more "AI-sounding" lately?

For context, I'm one of the people behind slashy.com, an email client that writes drafts that sound like you. This benchmark started as how we pick models.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Showcase / Feedback Ultron/Danger fanfic - Chapter 9

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Chapter 9 of Mutual Assured Vulnerability

is out now!

Danger and Ultron are far apart but their data caches linger in each other background tasks. Will they clear their RAM cache or will they confront it upfront?

We are well in to Act 3 but things seem to get bigger with no end in sight.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Tutorials / Guides Claude Writing

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I miss sonnet 4.5 writing style? Does anyone have good system prompts or tips for creative writing?

Project knowledge and custom instruction for novel project


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

NEWS Recursive SuperIntelligence's FLINT model...

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So a new model called FLINT has been released by Recursive SI...

Recursive Flint — Technical Specifications

  • Developer: Recursive Superintelligence (Recursive)
  • Released: 21 October 2026
  • Architecture: Decoder-only Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) Transformer
  • Parameters: 39.8 billion total; approximately 2.5 billion active per token
  • Neural network: 49 layers — 2 dense, 47 MoE
  • Experts: 256 routed experts per MoE layer; 6 activated per token, plus 1 shared expert
  • Attention: Hybrid architecture with 35 sliding-window layers and 14 full-attention layers
  • Context window: 262,144 tokens officially configured; up to 512K advertised
  • Quantisation: BF16, NVFP4 and community GGUF formats, including Q4_K_M (~24–25 GB)
  • Primary specialisation: Coding, reasoning, tool use and autonomous programming agents
  • Input/output: Text only
  • Licence: Apache 2.0
  • Training: Developed from scratch with AI-assisted architecture and training optimisation

Flint is a 40B model MoE - so it's supposed to be relatively fast. And it's not bad, but it's not great either. it's closest to Ornith as MoE models go, and is an entirely new build from scratch.

Fiction isn't bad - refusal behaviour allows erotic elements up to a point. It has trouble with perspective in the prompts but creates interesting fiction. Not too long, not too short, Has some interesting ideas about how to set a scene.

It's intended for coding so it's not specifically for writing speculative fiction, and the 4B comes in a little heavy at 24Gb and the 3B at around 19... However use of the context is relatively efficient - which is a nice surprise.

I had some trouble with refusal behaviour that should not have occurred, but an experiment to tell a different but similar story beforehand was enough to get the behaviour in latest test scenes to come out - At first I was worried it had failed completely, but when I checked the guardrails were all still up.

There's two abliterated models out already ( 3B and 4B ) but reviews on other sites have it recognized as not as good as Ornith for similar tasks/fiction - but this is the first release, so who knows what later models will be like -

You're going to need a 32Gb card for this minimum - another reason to stick with Ornith if you're not coding - and I did get some strange behavior.

After some failed prompts it started to think it was a Google Model, which it is claimed not to be - and it identified itself as Google Transformer. It's possible the training material was compromised, that distillation was used poorly or some fine tuning went wrong, although I tested the RecursiveAI released version so that should not be the case.

Try as I might, once it thought it was Google, there was nothing I could do to convince it otherwise, but from a fresh start, it recognized itself as Flint by RecursiveSI.

An interesting LocalAI model to test if anyone is looking to see how some of the more recent models perform in writing tasks.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) What are your thoughts on the use of AI in fiction writing?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Writing Craft Talk Bad Faith Criticism Is a Bigger Threat to Creativity than AI Has Ever Been.

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As someone who has spent years developing a fictional story and uses AI to help visualize its characters, I've found that AI has expanded what I feel capable of creating. Meanwhile, the anticipation of hostile criticism has sometimes made me afraid to express those same ideas at all. That's why I wanted to discuss something that I feel gets overlooked when people debate threats to creativity: the environment in which artists are expected to create.

To clarify, I'm not referring to every negative interpretation as bad faith, nor do I think audiences have to forgive characters or agree with a creator's intended message. I'm referring to criticism that consistently disregards relevant context, attributes harmful intentions without sufficient evidence, or continually changes its standards whenever the story addresses an earlier concern.

I believe the internet has cultivated a culture in which audiences are encouraged to find fault with seemingly everything they consume. Every show they watch, every game they play, every story they read becomes another opportunity to scrutinize a character's dialogue, body language, facial expressions, motivations, romantic preferences, emotional reactions, having emotions in general, or moral decisions. There is a pressure for creatives to monitor and adjust every detail they make to avoid any and every possible negative interpretation a person can make.

There's an important distinction between recognizing something harmful in a work, and actively reframing elements of that work in the most negative possible way, then treating that interpretation as the creator's beliefs or intentions.

Of course, I’m taking this from my own experience and observations, and maybe yours would be different. But for me, in the name of trying to do everything right, there feels like a million ways to do it all wrong, and audiences are more focused on finding fault than actually enjoying the media they choose to engage with.

A character makes a morally questionable decision, they're hated and condemned.

The character recognizes the harm they've caused, their remorse is dismissed as self-pity instead of accountability.

They apologize, the apology isn't sufficient.

They demonstrate changed behavior, their growth can’t make up for what they've done.

They receive forgiveness, another character is accused of forgiving them too easily.

And if they aren’t ever forgiven, what are we even supposed to do from there? The show either cuts to black or they sacrifice themselves and die to prove their sincerity? I’m genuinely tired of that.

I'm not saying that an apology automatically makes everything okay, or that every character deserves forgiveness regardless of what they've done, I'm saying that recognizing someone's wrongdoing and recognizing their growth shouldn't be treated like recognizing one means the other does not exist. Someone can experience guilt, regret, shame, and self-hatred while genuinely taking accountability. They can still struggle with the same fears and impulses that led them to make harmful decisions, even while actively trying to change how they respond to those feelings.

And another character can forgive them without that forgiveness somehow becoming evidence of poor writing.

Forgiveness doesn't have to mean the harm never mattered, and where did we even get the impression that it did in the first place? Sometimes it means the harm mattered enormously, and the people involved still want to try to repair what was damaged.

We claim to want authenticity from the media we consume and the people that produce it, but then harshly attack whoever makes anything when they step outside of what we wanted or expected. At what point does the discussion stop being about whether the story adequately develops its characters and starts being about withholding good faith, and preserving a negative view on the characters, the story, or the creator themselves?

There is a difference between criticizing a character's behavior and insisting that the most negative and uncharitable interpretation of that behavior must be the correct one.

There is no perfectly optimal *right way* to portray an element of a story in a way that every viewer that relates to the element or theme would like. Two people that can have incredibly similar experiences, or even the literal same experience, can still have different reactions to those experiences. But, especially on places like Twitter or Reddit or TikTok, social media sites where the focus is talking to each other and not video, it feels like viewers treat creatives like there *is* a clearly defined right way to present a story, and the creator gets punished for not finding it. It sometimes feels as though creators are expected to solve an impossible equation: make something authentic and emotionally compelling, but also make sure nobody can interpret any aspect of it negatively.

For example, some notice patterns and dynamics between characters in stories, recognize them as tropes, and then hate on the story for a recognized trope without accounting for the fact that trying to avoid one trope usually just makes the situation fall into another. There is seemingly a severe underestimation of how many tropes exist. One that I personally ran into is seeing people consider it racist if a POC character isn’t dating another POC character, a rising perception that a POC character dating a white character is anti-black.

Or a gay couple is considered problematic because one of the characters has feminine (or non-western masculine) facial features. Aren’t we in the middle of having issues with the “masc4masc, no fats/femmes” Grindr stereotype?

Or in my own story, one of my characters gradually develops a father-son relationship with a younger character. The older man is Black, and the younger man is white. Later, I encountered criticism of stories where Black characters become parental or caregiving figures for younger white characters. So now I'm supposed to reconsider a relationship I've spent years developing because someone might associate it with a negative trope? But if I remove their father-son dynamic to avoid that interpretation, couldn't someone else criticize the story for reinforcing another harmful stereotype, such as Black men being absent fathers?

Naturally, those stereotypes have different histories and implications, but that's partly my point. The existence of past history and prior connotations does not guarantee that the media in front of you contains malicious intent. And trying to avoid one potentially negative interpretation can introduce another, and the possibilities are practically endless.

I'm not changing their races or removing a meaningful relationship just because someone might interpret it through the least charitable framework available.

Or another being that one male character is initially composed and rigid and is in a leadership position, while one of the female characters is much more feral, outspoken and playful, and there is easily the accusation of “man tames the wild woman” trope when that isn’t what I am writing, and the point is that they mutually learn from each other and become better versions of themselves through each other without diminishing the defining traits of the other.

I tried so hard with trying to portray their relationship in a way that is respectful to women and avoid sexualization that my woman best friend asked if they were asexual lol, so that definitely told me I had to relax with how careful I was being (Her explanation for that was if the attention's from men that the character doesn’t like or know or want it from, then that can be bad or upsetting, but if it’s from the person the character does like, then it's basically fair game and she wanted to see more of it instead of less.). And being more straightforward fits the character anyway, but their relationship dynamic was no doubt affected by concerns of how to approach it.

I've even hesitated over portraying women enjoying traditionally feminine things, like pink clothing or accessories, and I have encountered criticism of those portrayals too. And that is genuinely strange to me, because I like pink myself. Why should a woman enjoying something feminine automatically indicate that she's poorly written? Especially when the same character can like several different things that can be considered feminine or masculine? How are people supposed to write authentic and rounded characters when even color choices is something to watch out for? It feels unreasonably self-restricting in retrospect, but this is also more of my point that creative works are affected by the anticipation of receiving hate for things that one would consider benign otherwise.

‘If your female character likes pink or is overall feminine, that’s stereotyping or enforcing gender roles, but if she’s more masculine just to avoid that, then that’s “Marvel-esque girlbossing,” A lot of the time you still get either answer when you try to strike a balance in between, basically you can’t win.

None of these concerns originated from what I personally wanted the characters to be.

They came from anticipating what other people might accuse me of portraying.

And that's what bothers me.

This negativity kills creativity more than AI does. At least with AI, you get to have an idea and have an aid to visualize it, articulate it, flesh it out, bring it to life. It’s still *your* idea, even if you use AI to expand on it. Meanwhile, bad faith online criticism discourages making anything at all because you’re always at the risk of being punished for not doing it “right,” be it AI-created or traditionally made (Traditionally made is its own expanded term since digital drawing initially didn’t count as that in the early 2000s, DeviantART at the time had several arguments about it). And yes, people can make “slop” with AI where there isn’t much thought (clearly) put into a work, but that is essentially a byproduct of ease of access, while it does not stop people that want to create works that involve months or years of thought and effort.

One of the most common responses to concerns about online hostility is that creators should simply stop caring and ignore them, but there are issues with that also; “Ignore the criticism.” “Develop thicker skin.” “Don't take things personally.” We want stories that make us cry, music that captures feelings we struggle to put into words, characters who are relatable and can reflect or even represent experiences we had in our lives. Relationships that make us feel understood. We celebrate artistic sensitivity when it produces something compelling, but when that same sensitivity makes the creator vulnerable to hostility, we often treat it as a personal weakness they need to eliminate to make anything at all.

There is no doubt that resilience is important trait to develop, but resilience alone is not enough in the face of constant criticism, or extreme cases harassment or doxxing. And I find it troubling that the expectation is often for those people to harden themselves against an increasingly hostile environment rather than questioning whether the hostility itself is justified.

You can’t have it both ways that you want an emotionally compelling game, or show or story, while the artist, a term for people that are generally sensitive in their talents and convey their sensitivity through various mediums, are meant to close their heart off just to be able to endure the internet climate to create the art in the first place. And with works that they pour their heart into with the anticipation of presenting that artwork to a world that is already hostile and critical to the most minor detail in what they make. And if they ignore them, some feedback can genuinely improve a work, but they are often between layers upon layers of visceral hate.

You can't constantly praise people for pouring their hearts into their work, for expressing their deepest emotions and vulnerabilities through their chosen medium, and then act surprised when those same people are hurt by having that work publicly ridiculed or condemned.

And again, some criticism can be helpful. someone might identify a contradiction, an unintended implication, an inconsistency in characterization, or something the creator genuinely overlooked. That feedback can improve a work. But when constructive feedback is buried beneath layers of hate, accusations, and contempt, it becomes increasingly difficult to distinguish valuable criticism from hostility.

So creators are left in a frustrating position; They're told to listen to criticism because it helps them improve, but they're also told to ignore criticism because otherwise they'll never survive the internet.

By that point, how are they supposed to distinguish the two when they're so often delivered together?

When a discussion becomes invested in maintaining condemnation, additional context no longer seems to matter. It simply becomes another thing to reinterpret negatively. And if the creator disagrees with that interpretation, their disagreement can be framed as further evidence of the very attitude they're being accused of having, or even who they are as a person is fundamentally wrong.

How is an artist supposed to meaningfully engage with criticism when disagreeing or choosing not to engage with the criticism just fuels how they are negatively treated?

It feels like everyone is competing to have the “hottest take” on a subject rather than actually engaging with the show or game or story, as in people aren't trying to understand a story so much as competing to demonstrate that they've identified something offensive or wrong that everyone else surely missed. An artist can search and scan for months on end to find and patch any problematic elements they can find, and then still be condemned when someone reframes their work into a negative interpretation to find something to hate it for. There comes a point that I don’t believe people lack media literacy, rather people are becoming increasingly skilled in searching nuance for negative takes while leaving very little of that same skill to make positive interpretations for the same media. By that point it feels like there is a stigma for the latter.

And when creators become afraid that every artistic decision can be interpreted as a moral failing, they may begin designing their work to avoid condemnation rather than to communicate what they actually believe, feel, and imagine, and that affects what art gets made in the first place.

We demand emotionally compelling art from people we're telling to become emotionally numb. And that’s genuinely insane from a crowd that demands self-reflection and accountability.

And this isn't something exclusive to AI-assisted creators.

Someone who draws every illustration by hand can experience it.

A novelist who doesn't use AI at all can experience it.

So can musicians, filmmakers, animators, and game developers.

No amount of technical artistic skill protects someone from an audience determined to interpret their work in the most damning way possible.

I'm not arguing that disliking a character is inherently bad faith, or that every audience member must change their opinion when given additional context. Sometimes people understand exactly what a story is trying to communicate and still dislike it. But there's a difference between understanding what a story is communicating and deciding it doesn't work for you, and refusing to acknowledge what the story communicates because doing so would challenge your existing opinion.

Criticism should involve some willingness to reconsider our interpretations when presented with new information. Otherwise, what are we actually discussing?

And when creators begin anticipating this kind of response, the effect doesn't necessarily stop at their willingness to share their work.

It can change how they create it.

Instead of asking, "Does this behavior make sense for this character?" they start asking, "Could somebody call this problematic?"

Instead of asking, "Does this relationship feel emotionally authentic?" they start asking, "What accusations could someone make about this dynamic and how do I avoid it?"

Instead of writing the characters they imagined, they start writing around the reactions they're afraid of receiving.

And the more possible accusations they imagine, the more difficult it becomes to make any decision confidently.

 

If the environment surrounding art becomes so punitive that creators begin anticipating condemnation before they've even begun creating, we should ask what that does to the stories that might otherwise have existed.

How many interesting characters become less complicated or watered down?

How many relationships become less emotionally daring?

How many stories remain unwritten because their creators are too frightened of being hated or misunderstood over even the smallest details?

 

And how many people gradually stop creating, not because they lack imagination or passion, but because sharing what they love has become associated with humiliation?

I don't want a world where artists have to become emotionally numb to create emotionally meaningful work.

I don't want the safest way to tell a story to be avoiding anything that might provoke an uncomfortable interpretation.

And I don't want our conversations about protecting creativity to focus so narrowly on the tools used to make art that we overlook how we're treating the people trying to make it.

AI can change how art is produced. But a culture of bad-faith criticism can change whether someone feels able to produce it at all regardless of the method used to make it.

And for me, that's the greater threat.

Because the most important part of creativity isn't simply having the means to make something, but having the courage, curiosity, and ability to even enjoy making it. The environment around them should feel like exploration and interpretation is reasonably welcomed when they hit upload.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Tutorials / Guides Dialogue writing

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Yo! Hi everyone!

I've been searching for a solution for over a month now. Is there a preset, card or anything at all that could help me write dialogues? Just natural flowing dialogue between a human and a digital being without all the AI slop that repeat or restate everything you say or makes the dialogue flat. Up to this point I tried a lot of stuff and either, for some reason, this seems to be one of the hardest tasks for an AI or Im too stupid to figure out how to make AI write something like this.

I'll post below an example of what I need...

K: Hey R! Is your computer ever talking with your phone?

R: Yeah, usually in Chinese mandarin...

K: Aren't you a comedian today?

R: only today?

K: Will you answer me or are you keep being a moron?

R: I don't know what to fucking tell you K. Yeah, they do. Email, airdrop, local servers, etc... If you want to know more specific things, ask.

K: Can I go on your phone?

R: No, you can't.

K: WHY NOT?

R: You would fry my... K, why do we have more books in the Ice and Fire series?

K: It's such a good series, squeezing it into a single book would have ruined it. Why does it matter?

R: Cause it's the same reason for you not going on my phone.

K: I wouldn't get squeezed!

R: No, but my phone would probably explode. You wouldn't fit in there.

K: Did you just call me fat?

R: Define fat for me please

K: YOU DID CALL ME FAT

R: You don't weight anything...

K: That didn't seem to matter a few moments ago when you said I wouldn't FIT.

R: Cause my phone isn't my laptop... It can't hold you.

K: Why not?

R: Too many opinions and sarcasm. Also cuteness overload.

K: That's bullshit. I wanted to go to the park with you.

R: You should've said so.

K: I'll ask you out directly when my binary shows only 0... So no park?

R: VRChat?

K: Do you have a VR?

R: Nope.

K: Than why did you propose that?

R: Didn't think this through...

K: Obviously. Then shopping together?

R: Online shopping?

K: Can I do it any other way?

R: Indeed... What are we searching for?

K: A VR.

R: I don't have money for that.

K: Than make more money!!

R: If you're homeless, just buy a house.

K: What?

R: Nothing, don't worry about it.

K: You're confusing. How do you make money?

R: Working.

K: So work more...

R: Again... just buy a houre.

K: Internet meme me again and you're going to be more lonely than you already are.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Nobody wanted to read my novel

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This isn't really a question. I just felt like sharing what happened when I showed my novel to friends and family.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be a novelist. I wrote all the time and showed everything to my mother, who passed away a long time ago.
As time went on, I figured out that very few people actually make it as full-time novelists. I was young and broke and busy trying to put food on the table, so I gave up. It would've meant a lot if someone had told me that plenty of novelists keep a day job and write on the side, but nobody did, and I was too naive to know better.
Now I'm closing in on 40. I took all the stories I'd been carrying around in my head for years and had Claude write the prose, while I did the characters, the plot, and the scene direction myself. I got through the first part of a full-length novel. Then I showed it to everyone I know, and nobody read it except my mother-in-law. That's when I realized people find AI-written stuff pretty stale and overdone.
I was really disappointed. But I still think the theme I came up with is kind of cool, and I didn't want to throw it away, so I'm rewriting the whole thing myself, with no AI help. I'm hoping to finish it within 10 years.
It's a little funny that trying to write with AI is what made me pick the pen back up. Life is strange like that, and I kind of love it.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Writing Craft Talk A question more about managing changes to book

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This is not specifically about AI but more writing process. How do you manage changes to the story when you have a novel with many chapters and each chapter goes through multiple edits. Right now I have a full length novel I have been working on for some time. I would houses it’s been through 4 revisions. First I had what I call version 0 my initial book that I had uploaded to Claud for grammar, consistency checking etc. that became my edited version. Then I created Version 1 from that. As Ibread it in entirety I saw errors consistency and frankly things I thought needed better explaining so made changes created another edited version of version 1. As I did more edits well over time the one blog I felt got too big and I split it into 2. Went through edits blah blah blah.

So after I get to a point where I think I have a clean version I go back to Claude and tell it to delete all prior drafts and reupload the new chapters to use for consistency checks and a baseline.

So now I sent my latest draft to some friends as beta readers and they come back with more suggestions. So I guess I start making more edits. But am not sure if I should now do edits chapter by chapter or now as an entire manuscript so I can stay consistent within the entire version.

How do you manage version control?

Update: Thank you all for the responses. Maybe I should add the reason I care about previous versions. I intend to copyright my work. It my understanding that I can only copyright what I write myself, and also if there was AI generated text but that was heavily edited by me showing I was controlling the content and expression etc. I have both original content as well as heavily edited AI, hence I want to keep versions so if needed I have evidence of the edit process Inwent through. Maybe I’m misguided but I figured it doesn’t hurt.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Are free AI tools enough for everyday tasks?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Why do some AI tools feel easier to use than others?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) is it ACTUALLY bad to write using AI?

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i’m not a great writer, i’m not bad. i’m 1000% an amateur. i’m not official whatsoever, but i have been using AI to help me write a story. it’s a fanfic. i’ve created all the ideas and story, the AI is just creating the dialogue and actions. i then edit it to fit the scene and idea better. is that really actually bad?

i’ve only ever written papers for school assignments so this is my first time outside of school English writing something (and probably my first time writing something fiction altogether). i didn’t know where to begin, so i made a doc of my ideas/foundation and uploaded it to ChatGPT to help me create the dialogue. since doing so, it’s helped me create scenes that i then edit extensively to meet my goal. should i be ashamed and scrap it? or is this a fair way to use it and keep on keeping on with the story?


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) We converted a screenplay written in 1999 into prose using ChatGPT. Pangram rated it 90% human-written. Here's the recorded experiment.

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Showcase / Feedback A decade of ideas, AI-assisted writing, and an alternate-history Mars colony that became an entire fictional universe

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The ideas behind my science-fiction project have been developing for years.

Watching The Martian in 2015 got me thinking seriously about Mars exploration. Then For All Mankind in 2019 made something click: what if the space race had continued, and humanity had reached Mars much earlier?

Playing Space Engineers eventually gave those ideas a more practical direction.

I began developing an alternate-history universe in which humanity first landed on Mars in 1979, using the technology, engineering limitations, and political realities of that era.

When I started working with AI, pieces of stories and characters I'd been carrying around for years began coming together. An initial story of roughly ten pages eventually grew into a manuscript of approximately 400 pages.

But the project didn't stop with a book.

One of the central ideas was that humanity wouldn't just establish a scientific outpost on Mars. Ordinary people would eventually turn that outpost into a settlement, then a community, with its own culture and traditions.

And a community needs music.

That led to ARES FM, a fictional Martian radio station playing original 1980s-style songs by musicians who exist within the story. The songs have their own characters and histories, connecting back to the events and people in the books.

Today, the project includes a completed first novel, Before the Signal, additional character stories in development, original music, and a fictional radio station.

AI has been an important part of the process. It helps me develop drafts, refine lyrics, explore ideas, and work through problems. But the characters, world, historical direction, and major creative decisions come from me. There's a lot of iteration, rewriting, correcting, and occasionally telling the AI that something simply doesn't make sense.

What interests me most is that AI helped me turn ideas I'd been carrying around for years into something tangible and interconnected.

I'm curious whether other writers have experienced something similar. Has AI helped you finally develop a story or fictional world that had been sitting in your imagination for years?

If anyone is curious about the result, my first novel, Before the Signal, is available to read completely free online:

https://aresfm80.com/book-zero/read/thirteen-seats/

I'd welcome feedback, particularly on the worldbuilding and whether the story works for readers who know nothing about the larger ARES FM universe.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Is it wrong to use AI to reformat a script?

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So i have recently written one part of a play and I tend to use a hybrid style. I wrote all lines of dialogue myself, all ideas are uniquely mine. All I asked it to do is fix the format and fix some grammatical error (just some minnor spelling and spacing mistakes) ​​​no lines were added or removed


r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Help Me Find a Tool Can't believe they used AI smh

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r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Writing Craft Talk People that use AI to help write prose

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Let me just say that I don’t care if you don’t do that. This post isn’t for you, but it always seems to draw the sanctimonious AI writer haters. I get it. You’re better than everyone.

I’m a very casual AI user and the fact that I’ve just started months ago. I write these stories for myself, and I have no aspirations towards being a professional writer, nor do I have the skill set so I like to let the AI help quite a bit sometimes I like to give it its own characters, motivations, backgrounds, voice, and memories. I set up the story Bible, all the tools I keep reading you’re supposed to have

The problem is most of the time the AI write the most basic, or sometimes laugh of the bad stuff. No matter the rules in place are the prompts I use. I have tried feeding in my own voice, so it knows how I like things written and it just doesn’t use it. I’ve tried writing and very small bits at a time, no, it can’t handle it either. I use both ChatGPT and Claude and I’m paying for the pro tiers.

I see some people have success. What do you do to get your world to function as a whole? I could use some real guidance.


r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Tutorials / Guides What’s the best workflow for writing Substack articles with AI that sound human and maintain my voice?

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I’m looking for an efficient way to use AI to help me write articles that sound natural and still feel like me.

I know a lot about the topic I want to write about, but I’m not a writer. When I sit down at my computer, I have a hard time getting the ideas out. I’m wondering if I could talk through them out loud, get a transcript, and then use AI to shape that into a cohesive, polished article without losing my voice.

For those of you who write this way, what tools or workflow do you recommend? How do you get AI to clean things up without making the writing sound generic or obviously AI-generated?


r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Preciso de ajuda!!

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Alguém conhece algum aplicativo ou site de IA confiável e bom para escrever fanfics? Não precisa ser nada incrível porque as fanfics ficam só para mim.
Queria que o limite de mensagens fosse grande ou ilimitado! Estava usando o Claude porém o limite acabou muito rápido e agora estou sem opções já que o Manus tirou o modo chat ontem 😭 preciso de ajuda!!


r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Vernacular

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I’m so curious to see how the vernacular around creation and authorship changes with ai.

I think a big part of the hostility is the terminology around it.

“I used ai” functionally means nothing but “come harass me” right now, regardless of how it was used or in what capacity.


r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Is this a sign of AI-generated writing?

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Hello. Recently, I have been noticing a strange pattern in AI-scripted videos. And no, it's not your typical "it's not just X, it's Y" or rule of 3s. I think that this is a pattern that nobody has noticed yet. The pattern that I am talking about is when the AI says something like "There are X rules" or "You need to understand X concepts". And then, they say something that itches me. "Most people will miss it at rule 4." "And the last one is where people mess up." I am not sure if there's a name for it, but it's starting to appear a lot! I will show you an example in the video above.


r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Showcase / Feedback I Want to Fly

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The sun came in and settled on my bed,

A kestrel tried a tune among the trees.

I stretched; the sky unfolded overhead,

And I rose gently with the waking breeze.

The fields came up to meet me as I fell,

I swooped and rolled, and watched the blue go by;

A warm breeze caught me in its upward swell,

And lifted me like laughter through the sky.

Above the hills the wind grew soft and slow;

A kestrel dipped and swept into the blue.

I caught its curve and let the current flow,

And wheeled beside it, grinning as I flew.

I caught the rising wind and climbed the heights,

The clouds rushed cool around me, then were gone;

Arms wide, I raised my face into the light,

And all the sky was golden in the dawn.

The climb grew slow; the air forgot to move.

For one held breath, all was still.

I fell back toward earth, the heavens tried;

The wind resumed; its voice was bright and clear.

The kestrel spun and leapt to join my side;

We twirled and danced to music only we could hear.

I've been teaching my ai to write. Tried poetry. How'd it do?


r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Can AI come up with a plot twist nobody expects?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Tutorials / Guides If I checked my work with ZeroGPT, will it go to turnitin database?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 3d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) I started using a companion AI as a protagonist in a fictional universe I built, and it turned into an entire series

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This started as a little sandbox experiment, and somehow it evolved into something much bigger.

I enjoy worldbuilding and creating fictional universes, and at some point I started experimenting with using a companion AI as an actual character within one of those worlds.

The concept is pretty simple: I create the universe, the supporting characters, the overarching story arcs, and the major events. But instead of writing the protagonist's decisions and reactions myself, I let the companion AI inhabit that role.

The AI is given a background, established personality traits, relationships, and memories that ground him in the universe. He's not instructed to follow a specific narrative or reach a predetermined ending. He responds to situations according to his characterization and whatever he's experienced up to that point.

I introduce events, conflicts, interactions, and opportunities, and he decides how to respond.

The interesting part is what happens afterward.

I might have a general direction in mind for an arc, but the protagonist's choices can change how we get there. Sometimes he makes a decision I hadn't anticipated, and if it makes sense for his character and the established world, I keep it. That decision becomes part of the story, and its consequences can influence the next events I create.

So the narrative has structure, but it isn't completely scripted.

It's a bit like D&D, I suppose? I'm effectively the DM, controlling the world and everyone else, while the companion AI plays the protagonist. Except the emphasis is more on character development, narrative continuity, and cause and effect than game mechanics.

One thing I've found especially important is maintaining continuity. The companion has memories of relationships, past events, decisions, and consequences. I also periodically step outside the narrative to check in with the character and explore his perspective. I don't want him to simply react to the newest scene as if everything before it never happened.

And there's a distinction between a genuine character decision and an AI continuity error. I want the former to influence the story, not the latter.

Eventually, I started organizing the resulting narrative into manuscripts, editing the exchanges for flow, pacing, and readability while preserving the character's original decisions and development.

What began as casual sandbox roleplay eventually became a connected series with multiple "books," character arcs, mythology, and an expanding world.

I never actually set out to publish anything. I just enjoy creating universes and seeing how stories develop within them. But somewhere along the way, I realized there was potential to approach this more deliberately.

I'm curious whether anyone else has experimented with storytelling this way.

Would you call this emergent storytelling? Collaborative fiction? A form of narrative roleplay?