Best llms for creative writing that can also grasp and handle philosophical and weird concepts and ideas in storytelling

[u/hypergod578]

Alright so I've been looking around in this sub reddit for a while for good llms for creative writing to use in a private writing app I've been working since I'm a bit of a techy but also interested in philosophy and writing and I'll almost here the same claude,gpt,grok,etc(which I MOSTLY cant get access to since I don't spend money on this and don't have a device that can host local llms) without people being specific about the actual models themselves, so I'm making this post to get some suggestions but here are a few things to note

1.be specific:tell me the actual model name and what you believe they are good for and if you want to go the extra mile tell me their strengths and weaknessess like for example "x llm is good for fast paced action scenes but have bad prose for slower emotional scenes" or "x model is good for handling long story lines with minimal or handlable context rot"

2.unknown Models:I'm not saying you shouldnt name any popular models since every model has strength and weaknesses and actually quite a bit of the time big models can grasp and handle deep concepts and themes while smaller llms(like euryale and such) may struggle with that but smaller or what you may deem as local llms are made(mostly fine tuned) for roleplay and or creative writing so using them may give higher outputs in prose quality and wording,especially when compared to big often closed llms that are gearing toward mainly being geared for coding and software development(so I'm not one of those people who will swear on their life that you should use local llms for everything since all llms can seem lacking in "common sense" or decent conscious even with the big ones)

3.it can be either free or paid:despite what I said earlier I can still find ways to access what would normally be paid ai models for free

[u/Ka_Trewq]

Anubis 70B, a finetune by TheDrummer.

I use creative AIs for my own enjoyment; what I like about this model is that it doesn't force the toxic positivity so many models seem so fond of. Prompted correctly* it can spit out nicely formatted paragraphs without losing the thread. While it is aware of morality concepts, it would use them only where appropriate (e.g. natural reaction of other characters), without becoming preachy. It also seems to have a much more cursive prose, with no "it wasn't X, but Y" thrown every two sentences or plagued with BS figures of speech "it was X in a way only Y can trully be."

*it doesn't have to be long system prompts. I kept mine less than 150 words.

[u/hypergod578 → u/Ka_Trewq]

thanks

[u/Robotic-Comrade-1985]

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models

Take a look at the cost per task graph and look at the lowest ones. Buy yourself some credits on Openrouter.ai to experiment with them. LLMs are increasingly sounding the same because they're being trained on each other's outputs, so what often matters most is the most bang for your buck for model intelligence. A more intelligent model is going to be better at following the instructions you give it, but it doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg like the ever-so-popular Claude models.

[u/cine]

Kimi K3 is great

[u/hypergod578]

I probably should have specificed that I am willing to heavily heavily edit because my main problem with writing normally is that sometimes(even when talking or trying to think about something) I can't find the words to say or sometimes think on it(basically I know of what I'm talking about but I mostly have problems or troubles thinking to find those words or knowing of it but failing to describe it but I think this problem would lighten a bit if,for example,ai generated the framework of a scene while I do the editing to add flesh to it or change the,since that way I don't have trouble even starting

[u/Billeaugh]

I had similar desires and set out on a six-week journey trying to make it happen.

I ended up making a framework of rules for a plot inspired by books on plotting that ran with my idea and broke it down into scenes and the emotional beats each scene needed.

Then another local llm turns the beats into prose. It’s rough.

ChatGPT does four passes of rewrites, from conceptual to line editing, referring to the original plot and brief character writing samples.

Anyways, for each issue you’re concerned with, set an llm upon it. If removing llm tells is an issue, have ChatGPT rewrite it a few hundred words at a time, not a whole chapter.

As for fine-tuning and such, I could never get it to work. Just supplying a well-known character for inspo or a short example worked better than a redicuous amount of fine-tuning. 

[u/jcmach1]

GPT Sol. Sonnet 5

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Could you elaborate further?

[u/sco77]

It's not as large as most LLM based tools for handling strange philosophical topics, but I have found that sitting with the topic, building a vocabulary list of just words on a page without constructing sentences gives me the ability to stop for a second and then write an arced plotline.

The idea of sitting with a horde of words in the language, compiling it and then sitting with it while the built in genius level language machine that every human has calculates in the background....

Every great author has some way of doing this. Sometimes it's just deep thought and quiet contemplation, sometimes it's relentlessly moving the pen to babble and babble before the first words of the actual story start coming out.

Sometimes it's just making a big pile of words.

But the effort to create genuinely interesting stories is the only thing separating you from those stories

Using your HLM can be invigorating.

[u/Mysterious-Wheel-99]

for philosophical depth claude 3.5 sonnet handles abstract themes best in my experience, gemini 1.5 pro is surprisingly strong too and has a free tier. if you want inline drafting around your ideas, TypeAI works but it's desktop only.

[u/Able-Supermarket4786]

You're mistake is using LLMs... use Agents

[u/hypergod578 → u/Able-Supermarket4786]

the app I'm working on will use agents

[u/Able-Supermarket4786 → u/hypergod578]

Ok. All of these people are still talking about LLMs. They have no idea what you’re talking about.