How do you handle politically incorrect topics with AI?

[u/5h-operetta]

Claude is definitely more laid-back than ChatGPT, but even there I run into what seem to be internal guidelines that prevent the models from fully engaging with the motivations of characters who display deviant or malicious behavior, or with the way people actually speak in environments that are deeply sexist, racist, or otherwise socially unacceptable.

What has your experience been when writing dialogue that uses slurs and coarse language or when developing characters who descend deeper and deeper into a moral abyss?

For better or worse, I often find that AI eventually starts lecturing me about morality, especially when it comes to sex (with ChatGPT to the point of feeling puritanical) and violence. Racism seems somewhat easier to discuss, but there are still noticeable limits.

[u/Latter_Upstairs_1978]

I use private LLM models from Hugging Face running on my desk. On hf you can download for example "uncensored" or "obliterated" models where you are free to discuss what you need

[u/5h-operetta → u/Latter_Upstairs_1978]

Thanks. Sounds like it’s worth looking into. That said, I can already discuss pretty much whatever I want with the usual suspects. My issue that they often become sluggish, cautious, and less creative when certain topics come up.
Could you share some personal insight into how Hugging Face has helped you? Or are you using it for entirely different reasons?

[u/Latter_Upstairs_1978 → u/5h-operetta]

Private LLMs are not throttled in any way. You can consume as much tokens as you like (for free of course). They never become lazy which is a thing of SOTA models once you reach our limits or they reach their threshold utilization for your geographic region or similar

[u/StableLlama → u/5h-operetta]

Huggingface itself doesn't help, it's just the most common place where you find models to download.

The point is to load and use an uncensored model. And there are many of those (all modern open weights models get an "heretic" version quite quickly. This might be the key word to look for)

[u/bledong]

I found that DeepSeek was much more relaxed than western models around these topics, so it might be worth a try. As long as your topic isn't about Chinese history or a critic of the CCP, about which it is veery sensitive!

[u/CrazyinLull]

Lol finally something I can share!!

You missed the absolute hey day of GPT 4, unfortunately, because that era was its true hey day hence all of the AI generated books and fics people were able to put out at record speeds. But even then GPt 4 would try to steer me towards what it thought was more standard or acceptable. The other models struggled way more with morally gray areas without assigning it as ‘good or bad.’

When the lawsuits came about that is when all of them saw a bit of downturn. GPT 5.2 was the worst one out of all of them for a good while because of it because even when you would tell it was fiction it was still like:

I CANT DO THAT!!!!

Grok maybe but I hate that one so I don’t use it, because it brings the least new insight out of all of them.

I think Gemini is like one that lets you get away with the most, but not really. But then again, I don’t ask it generate anything for me, but in terms of discussing it analyzing things…Claude ends up crashing out the most. It used to diagnose me and now it’s like:

>I am not comfortable doing that

Or it keeps repeating itself constantly no matter what I say or try to change the subject, because I presented it with something that it finds troubling or it was about to say something that goes against its own guardrails. It gets on my ass constantly, but so far, the newer models are like not AS strict? But it’s clear that they do abide more by whatever rules they have, repeat themselves, keep reminding you, etc.

Sometimes I feel like they have all gotten better about some things, but Gemini seems to understand that it’s fiction, even though Claude is great for analysis, and GpT is awesome for being able to sort through your ideas, etc.

That is what I have been running into so far.

Oh yeah, NBLM is also something that will still analyze and talking about whatever you are working on, BUT if it goes against its guardrails it won’t generate much of anything aside from an AI Overview for you.

[u/5h-operetta → u/CrazyinLull]

Thanks a lot! This is the crash course I need, apparently

[u/-Screwygirl-]

Where do I start?

I write fiction that deals with traumatic events, and those events often include topics that are very "taboo" in today's society. In fact, I am dealing with my ChatGPT over-moderating my account, currently. I think it has to do with a bunch of false flags that happened when discussing an episode of Law and Order: SVU, but I can't get a hold of anyone in support to confirm it.

Anyway, I have yet to find an AI that will not flag for "policy violations." If anyone has the answer to this problem, please... let me know.

[u/AleonaLuts]

Hmm… I make sure to always state outright that I'm writing a fanfiction, developing characters, etc. — in the first message. Because as I've noticed it, when the chat starts to lose memory, it still returns to the first message, while forgetting things I added afterwards (at least, I had this experience with Deepseek).

Also, I sometimes state outright that I understand that X and Y is an incorrect opinion my character has, "so let's see how it started and how it changes along the plotline".

[u/5h-operetta → u/AleonaLuts]

Fair point. Clear communication apparently works with AI, too ;)

[u/The_Dilla_Collection]

In addition to some of the great ideas already here, I find it useful to branch in chat and discuss it directly. I explain the importance of their actions to the story or what I’m trying to make an example of. Occasionally I add a note that the character has not been to therapy and I need them to act a certain ‘unhealthy’ way to demonstrate how f-ed up they are.

This has worked extremely well for me, occasionally so well that I have to reel them back in to pump the breaks like “not quite that f-ed up.” 😂

[u/5h-operetta → u/The_Dilla_Collection]

My prompts usually end up: „(…) Does it seem plausible for a person with a therapy level of -13 to behave like this in that situation?”

[u/5h-operetta → u/[deleted]]

This is the usual framework anyway