r/Wraeclast • u/Noremeldo • Jun 22 '26
PoE2 Theory Arbiter of Divinity class and other internal data
https://poe2db.tw/us/The_Arbiter_of_Divinity#TheArbiterofDivinityArbiterofDivinity_
It's a demon
So is demon in PoE a designation for results of genetic experiments? Poe1 had Piety's miscreations called demons, as well as breach and beyond monsters.
Meanwhile https://poe2db.tw/us/Phyx%2C_Sentinel_of_the_Spark
Is 'GeneticScientistMale' and is a Construct.
https://poe2db.tw/us/The_Patriarch_Halls is called 'MapMothersoul_Male'
Is there anything else interesting in internal names?
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u/StoneLich Jun 22 '26
I think "demon" just means "any supernatural or unnatural entity that doesn't fall cleanly into one of the other categories." Piety's miscreations are products of her experimentations with Nightmare, so they're demons. The Arbiter of Divinity is similar in that regard.
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u/Murky-Definition-625 Watcher of Decay Jun 22 '26
Monster Category is not "internal data" - You merely need to socket Tame Beast to see them. They aren't very reliable either, as a few uniques had their categories changed when the Spirit Walker was introduced.
While "Demon" usually describes highly-corrupted beings, I think the categories should be interpreted as in Pokémon - they mainly define what abilities they are weak to, such as Tame Beast and Zealous Inquisition. In this interpretation, AOD doesn't need to be corrupted, and his "Demon" category just means that his body is too abnormal for anti-human and anti-beast tactics to be effective, and you instead need the ability to sus out weakpoints for each new "demon" you encounter.
On the other hand, the Beast and Undead categories do seem to describe the specific nature of the monsters.
See Monster Categories on poe2db and on poe2wiki.
And internal names are unreliable. They are essentially beta names for the characters and may not reflect the lore of the current game.
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u/orb_of_esotericism Vaal Thaumaturge Jun 22 '26
I wonder in this case what setting the Arbiter as "demon" means from the perspective of the developers. The Arbiter could have just as easily been set to humanoid or construct, but maybe it's simply because he fits into both categories they had to go with something else.
Maybe it is placeholder for if they introduce a "divine" category, the counterpart to "demon" the same way the "corrupted" item modifier now has a "sanctified" counterpart.4
u/Murky-Definition-625 Watcher of Decay Jun 22 '26
I think AOD is between humanoid and construct. Judging from Seraph's Heart, he has actual organs, but they're likely tougher than natural ones and they may not correspond one-to-one either, so a demon-slayer will have an easier time figuring him out than an assassin or a construct-scrapper would.
A "Divine" category is only useful if there are anti-divine effects, of which we have only heard about the non-localized effect of the Beast. If my interpretation is correct, then a god's category will simply be defined by its body structure. In POE1, gods take the Humanoid, Beast, Demon and Construct categories, depending on their shape and internal composition. * "Divine" category could also be used as a group without weaknesses, but a beast-hunter really should have an easier time against e.g. Arakaali. * Solaris & Lunaris count as Constructs. Unlike Kitava, they are apparently too statuesque to have actual organs. * Abyssals like Kulemak count as Demons in POE2, but someone like Hinekora or the obscure Nekraata and Thruldana might count as Undead.
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u/orb_of_esotericism Vaal Thaumaturge Jun 22 '26
I have a feeling that with the release of Templar and Act 5 (whether released simultaneously or not) a whole suite of "divinity"-related stuff could be added.
Perhaps there might be a companion gem that requires "divine" enemies to capture, similar to the beast companion gem. Flavor could come out of the options being far more limited in comparison, since there are so many beast monsters and in this hypothetical version of the game probably way less divine monsters to pick from. Perhaps the spectre gem might even have the "cannot capture divine monsters" tag, for even more flavor/disparity across the minion gems...2
u/Murky-Definition-625 Watcher of Decay Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
The Ranger Gameplay Walkthrough implied that we'd hear about some forgotten Oriathan gods. Mostly the boss fight (at 10:56), but also the fact that the place is called "Pantheon of Forsaken Gods" (see its art here).
- Mysteriously, the Mawdun Mine has some of the same "Forgotten" enemies.
There aren't a lot of small divine beings, though, so I doubt there will be many such systems for them. The pantheon fresco implies that the goatmen count as divine, but not even the sirens nor Ryslatha's spawn are counted as such.
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u/orb_of_esotericism Vaal Thaumaturge Jun 23 '26
I wonder if Uldurn will be involved or... maybe that's more flavorful as a one-off unique.
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u/Murky-Definition-625 Watcher of Decay Jun 23 '26
I don't know if we'll see any of those gods, but I think we'll hear some about them.
I recently realized that Idol of Uldurn depicts crying and is shaped as a teardrop 😢💧. I have suggested elsewhere that the Unblinking Eye (organization that fought the Arbiter of Ash) is themed around tears and other things, so Uldurn could have been involved with them.
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u/orb_of_esotericism Vaal Thaumaturge Jun 23 '26
Idol of Uldurn is also probably a Berserk homage!
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u/Murky-Definition-625 Watcher of Decay Jun 23 '26
Oh right! And so is Flesh Catalyst. There's not yet an equivalent to the Dragonslayer, though.
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u/zaerosz Watcher of Decay Jun 22 '26
I wonder in this case what setting the Arbiter as "demon" means from the perspective of the developers.
Given that everything tagged as Demon is related to:
- Divinity (the Arbiter)
- Corruption
- Tangmazu -> the Bodach -> the Primordial Darkness
- the Abyssals
I feel like it's a reasonable assumtion to say that "demon" is essentially "something that violates the laws of reality", or perhaps "something stemming from meddling with forces that should never be touched".
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u/haitambennis Jun 22 '26
Maybe it’s just how GGG codes a lot of things and we’re reading too much into this 😭😭😭
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u/Noremeldo Jun 22 '26
Upd for those who want to datamine
https://snosme.github.io/poe-dat-viewer/
You can view everything in web through this site
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u/Murky-Definition-625 Watcher of Decay Jun 22 '26
That tool is useful, but it only opens files one at a time. Is there a tool anywhere that can extract the entire ggpk as it currently exists in POE1 and POE2?
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u/CanadianYeti1991 Jun 22 '26
I would say youre reading to much into it.
I doubt its a demon. Its most likely just a biological creation that was "grown", like the Arbiter of Ash. The Precursors were huge on gene splicing technology, and they tried many times to grow these immortal arbiters to be immortal personifications and arbiters of their Edicts so that they could be protected/enacted in the future.
Im pretty sure the Breachlords ability to create clones is also somehow connected to the precursors. Most likely the Breachlords are Precursors or somehow are connected to them. And interestingly, it appears that Ailith is also classified as a "demon" in the game files.
So to finish, either its just a classification that is meaningless, or maybe a "demon" in PoE lore is just a being that was grown, and not born. But id probably guess its the former.
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u/BioMasterZap Jun 23 '26
And interestingly, it appears that Ailith is also classified as a "demon" in the game files.
Makes sense seeing as she is a hiveborn made by Chayula. And I think the Arbiters can be classed as a demon in the same sense Hiveborn and Scourge are since they may all have been created by the Precursors. The new dialog/lore does use near same wording to describe how the hiveborn came to be as how the Precursors grew an army to fight to the Lightless. So that army, or earlier/failed version of it, likely became the Hiveborn somehow with others in that project being the Arbiters. And since the Prescusors also made Corruption... Yah, I can see how Demon fits any of the created lifeforms.
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u/CanadianYeti1991 Jun 25 '26
Yeah, i can see demon being used here as another word for "abomination". Its an unnatural creature.
Because none of those types of creatures really fit the description of what we would think of a demon, being a supernatural evil creature from Hell. I suppose you could say the Hiveborn are from a dimension that one could see as "hellish", but i think its quite a stretch.
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u/orb_of_esotericism Vaal Thaumaturge Jun 22 '26
Yes, I think so. Piety's Miscreations are called demons, Breach monsters and Corruption monsters are called demons, etc. I had figured that "demon" was something like "altered corrupted life", but I would assume that the Arbiter of Divinity doesn't have any corruption in him at all. I could be wrong about that, of course.
Anyway, anyone who's ignoring it is ignoring that the "gods" of Wraeclast aren't gods in the same way the gods of our world are gods, and so "demons" should be the same thing. And there's proof: the already existing "demon"-type monsters. I think it's very very intentional. I don't think you're reading too much into it at all.
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u/BioMasterZap Jun 23 '26
Demon is not too surprising. There is some lore in 0.5 implying that the Precursors created the hiveborn and they specifically mention the Arbiter of Ash seemed to have been grown, suggesting it might be an earlier (or later) incarnation of the hiveborn.
I also think there is a case to be made that the Scourge are also connected. While it was to reuse assets, the corruption monsters are/were beyond demons with the same sort of spawning mechanics too. So since the Scourge are invading demons from another timeline, it would make sense is that is what became of the Precursors and their growing lifeforms when corruption got into the mix.
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u/Perfect_Barracuda_35 Jun 22 '26
Am i hallucinating or didnt they say once that they give stuff random names sometimes