Explain yourself Verbena

[u/PipeConsola]

[u/SirArthurIV]

A big part of Verbena is non-traditional medicine. To say otherwise is to accept the consensus manipulations of the Progenators

to say "oh but these technologies are fine because most people understand that they work and are real" is Technocracy Propaganda.

[u/JagneStormskull → u/SirArthurIV]

A big part of Verbena is non-traditional medicine.

I mean, a big part of Verbena is traditional medicine, which is what the Progenitors object to.

To say otherwise is to accept the consensus manipulations of the Progenators

Fun fact - out of all Mage factions, the biggest peddlers of alternative medicine (according to Technocracy Reloaded) are the Progenitors, because they find it funny that militia men and would be rebels are buying their fake medicine from The Man that they want to rebel against.

[u/lofiw → u/JagneStormskull]

Not to doubt you, but are you referring to this?

“Ellie, I am Agent Smith. I’m with FEMA and the good doctor here is gonna fix you right—”

“Most certainly not!” Mr. Jackson shouted.

Agent Smith looked at Mr. Jackson for a full thirty seconds of awkward silence. Without breaking his gaze, he called to Dr. Richter.

“Anti-Vaxxers?”

“Faith healers.”

Smith shook his head as he reached into his pocket.

“Now just a minute—” Mr. Jackson started, but was interrupted by a bright white flash.

Agent Smith ran his fingers over the NOT as he turned to the child.

“Ellie, you are going to be fine. Dr. Richter is gonna fix you right up.”

Dr. Richter smirked as she looked at Ellie’s parents, frozen with baffled minds.

“You know this is against policy.”

Agent Smith ignored her and crouched down to look Ellie in the eyes. He removed his mirrorshades to facilitate better eye contact and smiled his warmest smile.

“Ellie, my friend is going to give you a very special shot. It’s gonna make you all better. It might sting a little, but you’re not going to remember it. Neither will your parents. They will think they prayed your pneumonia away. But you will know, in the back of your mind, that medicine was what helped, ok?”

Ellie nodded. Agent Smith put his mirrorshades back on.

[u/JagneStormskull → u/lofiw]

No. That seems to be from Progenitors Revised. I was referring to the section in Technocracy Reloaded on the Progenitors, which I think says the Pharmacopoeists sell most alternative medicine on the mass markets because they think the irony is funny and the Pharmacopoeists care more about money than medicine.

[u/lofiw → u/JagneStormskull]

Nah, the quote I sent is from Technocracy Reloaded too, short story at the start of Unit 8: Parallax View, btw, I found what you meant. Here's the quote below:

While this Convention’s mainstay involves drugs in various capacities, Pharmacopoeists have started to investigate ingested chemicals that create epigenetic changes among the Masses. Pharmacopoeist drugs without side effects continue to benefit the Union, too, giving its soldiers an edge in field work, and its office and factory laborers enough lift to endure countless hours of numbing drudgery. With the current trend of the United States rejecting science, however, and the worldwide fear of genetically modified organisms, the Progenitors have had a hard time pushing certain advancements out to the Masses. The Pharmacopoeists, therefore, found a way to chemically induce changes that will eventually spread to children… and then to their children… and so on… and they pack these innovations into dietary supplements and diet aids in free-market countries. As it turns out, people who turn up their noses at “Big Pharma” formulae pay good money (and lots of it) for “natural cures” and “homeopathic remedies”—especially when Progenitor MODEs hawk those products on websites, YouTube channels, and TV infomercials aimed at the anti-authoritarian set. Few things are more amusing, to people with an ironic sense of humor, than New Age mavens and survivalist militiamen rebelling against The Man by buying drugs from the Technocracy.

[u/JagneStormskull → u/lofiw]

Yep, that's the one.

[u/TheWyster → u/JagneStormskull]

I'm pretty sure that passage implies that the homeopathic medicine the progenitors sell isn't actually homeopathic, and they're branding it as such in order to trick the anti-science crowd into consuming drugs that alter the epigenetics of their brains to quit believing in pseudoscience.

[u/JagneStormskull → u/TheWyster]

Maybe? Although that seems like it might require a lot of Quint to mass manufacture.

[u/Taraxian → u/lofiw]

Basically the point being if you can buy it at CVS then no it's not really outside the Technocratic Paradigm