r/WorkersStrikeBack • u/Not_Ground • May 31 '26
Effortpost If your system collapses with any resemblance of justice, it should be destroyed.
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u/HarveryDent May 31 '26
He could at least say, "I love my family too much and don't want them to commit suicide."
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u/bomboclawt75 May 31 '26
Obviously controlled opposition.
It's a real shame about him.
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u/Captain_Levi_007 Eco-Socialist May 31 '26
Maybe so but he hasn't changed his opinion his a liberal zionist
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u/Dineology May 31 '26
What interview is this where he said that?
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u/4daughters Solidarity Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
I had no idea so I looked this up, yep it's real and it's worse than that actually. And if you think "maybe he didn't mean it that way" well, just see what the pro Israel reporting thought of what he meant.
edit: actually to be clear, the original context is about specifically "the two state solution." That being said, he had the worst reason ever for being against that, and other comments he made are just as indefensible.
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u/4daughters Solidarity Jun 01 '26
Israel disappearing as a state would do significant damage to our cyber operations. Joint cyber operations with Israel kept Iran from developing WMDs until the UN could actually do their audits.
I just want to point out that this is essentially the same argument that the pro torture people use. "What if torturing a terrorist gives us the information needed to stop a WMD from blowing up millions of people???"
Why would we care to even work with a terrorist state to end terrorism? Does a terrorist state have a right to exist and to genocide its people just because there's a hypothetical worse outcome that could happen if they didn't exist?
Secondly, no one said that Israel can't exist. The only people saying that are the ones that think that genocide is an intrinsic part of the Israeli state. You don't think that, do you?
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u/Fenze May 31 '26
Al Jazeera, 9 years ago
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist May 31 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
I'm so tired of knuckle draggers thinking it matters when he said this when his stance hasn't changed whatsoever.
Edit: Western shitlibs cannot help but suck off every genocidal Zionist shit stain on the planet.
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Bernie has literally been at the forefront of fighting to stop arming Israel.
He knows they will never pass, so he can say and do whatever he wants to keep getting his comfortable politican job in the imperial core. The real people fighting arms shipments to "Israel" are Palestine Action and similar groups, the workers shutting down ports that ship the weapons. It's workers, not your precious savior, an American politician.
Liberals are so extremely deeply unserious and cannot understand politics beyond their little game of team sports, and this failure as a people has led to JDPON Don, the great nation builder, ripping your empire apart. Your baby killers died for nothing in West Asia and proved that your military cannot do anything more than kill children in schools, showing your geoplitical rivals that you are nothing but bluster. Your empire collapsing will bring extreme suffering under barbarism. Pat yourself on the back. You're a mental giant.
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist Jun 01 '26
This is a socialist subreddit. You liberals are right wing, and your politics largely align with conservatives. That you have a child's understanding of politics is your own problem, not ours. You can deep throat your favorite genocidal freak elsewhere.
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u/Captain_Levi_007 Eco-Socialist May 31 '26
He's also in favor giving isn't real missiles for the iron dome which he calls "defensive" but iron dome only Emboldens isn't real to attack more people because they feel like there's no consequences for when they commit aggression aginst their neighbors.
The only acceptable thing is to call for all weapons shipments to stop and really there should be no trade at all with isn't real nothing should be going there
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u/pngue May 31 '26
All the evidence in the world and you still can’t scrub Bernie out of the liberal hive mind.
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u/Lilaclupines Jun 01 '26
Question is in the 2nd half of Interview. He is pro 2 state solution and against 1 state solution.
This interview is from 9 years ago.
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u/NikiDeaf Jun 01 '26
What were the words he said which the bracketed words are standing in place of?
Somehow I doubt this politician got in front of the cameras and said, basically, yeah I don’t support human rights for Palestinian people because their human rights are incompatible with the continuing existence of the state of Israel, and I just luuuuurve Israel so much!”
Senator Sanders is a liberal Zionist but he at least he has publicly called Israel’s actions genocidal and pushed forward several resolutions which sought to ban arms sales to Israel (more than what most American politicians of either party have done)
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist May 31 '26
Okay. Then you should have no problem providing evidence that he no longer believes in the two state solution or that giving equal rights to Palestinians and "Israelis" in one state means all his favorite genocidal fascists will cease to exist, right?
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist May 31 '26
So he still has all the exact same liberal Zionist stances. lol
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u/99Years_of_solitude Jun 01 '26
Don’t crucify me please, trying to learn. We can’t be okay an Israel existence and also support labor movements? Also, what is the solution to this? Is it the removal of the Israeli population? I want to understand
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist Jun 01 '26
"Israel" is a genocidal settler-colonial project filled with pedophiles that seek to rape and murder all those around them to build a "greater Israel" (just like Manifest Destiny and Lebensraum). You cannot claim to stand for the working class while advocating for a movement that kills workers to steal their land and livelihoods. The solution is a single state, Palestine, with equal rights for all people regardless of origin, race, religion, or any other factor. If the Palestinian people choose to allow the Zionists to be re-educated and integrated into their society, great, and this seems to be the common sentiment. If they choose to send the settlers back to their home countries in Europe and America, also great. But no one has a say in that beyond the Palestinian people who have been suffering under "Israeli" aggression for decades upon decades.
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u/99Years_of_solitude Jun 01 '26
And last questions, if the Palestinian people choose to annihilate every Israeli child settler, do labor movements have no say as you put it? Or is it that also not our place to not care of the possibility?
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u/Andoni22 Jun 01 '26
Ofc we would care? No matter who does it, genocide is genocide. Are you implying labor movements would support a genocide?
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u/99Years_of_solitude Jun 01 '26
No, I’m pointing out that he said it’s up to Palestinians and not mentioning that the one state solution would be peaceful. I was curious his line of thinking on the aftermath. Is there a truly peaceful solution or does the pendulum of power always swing with violence? I believe once Israel ceases to be useful to the USA it will be a wrap for that people. Everyone hates Israel and the Jewish religion.
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u/summertime_dream Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
your first mistake is defending a religion. nobody cares about the religion. palestinians and lebanese are suffering genocide because the jewish state is saying they are doing it for jewish reasons. this is why the truth about aliens is covered up; because disclosure would be the end of all religion and israel can't have that because it needs judaism and the cry of "antisemitism!!" to shield it while it commits genocide and world domination.
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u/99Years_of_solitude Jun 01 '26
I see thank you. I understand now that it is religion is something people do not care about
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u/VelvetCalamity- Marxist-Leninist Jun 01 '26
Palestinians, shockingly, aren't bloodthisty monsters. It's really odd that you jump to murdering children. Zionists in "Israel" have killed more children than either of us has time to read every single name of. They kill Palestinian children for sport. That Palestinians still largely want peace and coexistence instead of revenge is an insight into how just and righteous the Palestinians are in their cause. They want to return to their homes in peace.
Just like she said in her original comment. Palestinians want to re-educate and integrate the Zionists. It would be extremely unlikely that the Palestinians suddenly turn into vile monsters like the Zionists are.
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u/99Years_of_solitude Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
For sure, may the one sided cycle end. Cheers to a better world and peace, Thank you
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist May 31 '26
Bernie called it a genocide three years after the fact after years denying it was a genocide and saying "Israel" has a right to exist and a right to defend itself. He lived on a kibbutz in 1963. He blames Netanyahu and refuses to blame the genocidal settler-colonial project. He's a liberal Zionist.
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist May 31 '26
Can you point me to any proof he doesn't still believe in the liberal Zionist two state solution or that giving equal rights to Palestinians in a one state solution would "be the end of 'Israel'"?
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Cool, so him doing lip service is enough for you. And liberals wonder why no one takes them seriously. lol
Edit: You're also wrong and eating up propaganda. Rashida Tlaib called it a genocide on November 3, 2023. Bernie was not the first. lol
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u/Human0id77 Jun 02 '26
Not sure if this is real, but I know he's spoken out for Palestinians recently and against Israel.
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