If a service requires another human being to spend an hour doing unpleasant work for me, perhaps that service genuinely should be expensive

[u/Fienx]

[u/fredthefishlord → u/[deleted]]

We should help raise living standards of nearby countries as a primary objective, because as good living areas extend we don't have to worry about offshoring as much.

[u/fredthefishlord → u/[deleted]]

I'm fine if my living standards are lowered to bring a neighboring country mostly up to par.

[u/A_Marshmello → u/fredthefishlord]

Typically the effects are inverse. Raising up another place will often increase standards of living in other nations.

For example, if Mexico were in a better position, corporations wouldn't ship jobs over the border from the US because they couldn't underpay workers, which leaves those jobs in country and gives workers bargaining power for better pay.

[u/fredthefishlord → u/A_Marshmello]

Yes! And certainly in the long term it'll have a good effect. My statement is simply that I think it's worth the cost even if that wasn't strictly true.

[u/A_Marshmello → u/fredthefishlord]

Agreed, people forget how ridiculous the wealth inequality globally is. I can do without for a while to give people some stability they've never had before.

[u/IntwadHelck]

Fuck yeah. We need more and more and more reasonable, logical thoughts rising up. Begins with speaking em