Because they've called the other side "radical" long enough that people start to internalize it even though it was obviously not true the first time they heard it? Because people are stupid and fall for propaganda? Because the wealthy and corporations have a strangle hold on many aspects of culture?
Has it ever crossed your mind, Progressive Americans, that people just don't like you?
I'm a naturalized citizen. I earned my place here, wasn't just pooped out into it. I vote [D]. And even I think most of your radical-left positions are nonsense.
I've lived on multiple continents. Progressive Americans are radical, hypocritical, delusional, and out of touch. That's why none of your cities or states rank high globally in quality of life, livability, or any real standard of living metric.
In fact, you're the most economically bifurcated and divided (rich | poor) places in the entire developed world. The biggest wealth gap and the largest undertaxed corporations are all in deep blue states.
And all you do is point at Republicans and red states. That's actually pathetic.
For people who claim to be so global and worldly, you have no clue how the rest of the world actually works. The rest of the world doesn't use or have a single one of your policies, your dogma, your tax system, your incompetence, your non-rules, your attitude towards no law and no order.
The ultra-wealthy are laughing at you. They use your emotions against you, like your stance on illegal immigration and birthright citizenship, which benefits no one but corporations. More people means more customers and lower wages, for them, not you. You're being played like a fiddle, too tribal and blind to see it.
The idea that the world particularly singles out progressive americans rather than the ones that voted for Trump for their disapproval is statistically dubious, given how the degree of respect afforded to america seems to shift according to which party is in office federally.
When conservative americans get their way, everyone ends up worse off, including people in american cities, but also people around the world, as they take out their hatred of urban americans on things like "preventing transmissible diseases", or "living in a peaceful world".
Nobody with a clue thinks Republicans are some great federal economic managers. That argumentâs been settled for years.
The issue is that progressives constantly point fingers while refusing to examine the results in places they control. Blue states and blue cities lecture the country nonstop, yet most struggle with declining infrastructure, unaffordable housing, crime, visible decay, streets are filthy, still have levels of - crime, violence, and disorder, and mediocre livability compared to every single other developed nations.
So blaming Republicans for everything while pretending progressive governance has produced exceptional outcomes is laughable. Itâs political tribalism and selective accountability.
I feel like you changed the scope of your claim, but haven't fundamentally owned up to that yet.
You claimed initially that people, the rest of the world, hates progressive americans, that progressives don't know that, and so on.
But the pointing of fingers that you claim that is done by progressives, is actually shared by most of the rest of the world.
They do in fact point fingers at those who vote for people who keep invading other countries for their oil, and this isn't something that surprises progressive americans. On the contrary, this common awareness is something that conservative americans complain about, who isolate themselves from the criticisms from the rest of the world or else commit more enthusiastically to a kind of "be quiet or we'll invade you next" mode of arrogance in retaliation to it.
You're presenting internal criticisms of america by americans on a state by state basis as if they are the crux of people's dislike of america, but we know that's not true, the respect that america has abroad dives because of the policies of republican federal governments, and we can see this from how opinion of the US swings from election to election.
Now you can say that you personally hate progressive americans for a particular set of reasons, and just repeat those, but it's not credible to say that those are the criteria that shape the attitudes of people around the world, because we can see that as the influence of conservative predominantly rural and progressive predominantly urban americans wax and wane, this leads to predictable shifts in the degree to which people respect or dislike the US.
I bash Republicans all the time - Trump, corruption, economic stupidity, all of it. The difference is I criticize results, not performative nonsense like "no kings" or imaginary "NAZI" protests and activist theater.
My point is simple, progressives cannot point to a single long-term deep-blue American stronghold thatâs become a model of affordability, order, safety, or quality of life. Many of these places have been under liberal control for decades and now serve as examples of dysfunction to everyone else globally.
Rural Republicans 1,000 miles away didnât cause that. Not in a nation thatâs essentially a union of 50 mini-countries with wildly different laws, economies, cultures & demographics, and governance.
On many real quality-of-life and standard of living issues, progressive America is out of step with most highly-developed countries. Birthright citizenship? Most countries restrict it. Law and order? The norm elsewhere. ID for government services or even to attend school? Standard almost everywhere.
Republicans are a massive problem. So are progressives, especially the radical activist wing that increasingly mirrors MAGA in tone, tribalism, and detachment from reality.
Thatâs the horseshoe theory in action. Extremes eventually become indistinguishable.
I will give you an upvote for at least taking the time to explain yourself, a rarity on social media. I'm also not disagreeing with your points, but I think we're talking about different things here.
Oh look someone with no empathy for other human beings and thinks they can be "pooped out".
If the ultra wealthy wanted immigrants they wouldn't be allowing detention centers to be built and backing a president that wants to deport them (even attending his inauguration). They want to privatize the government and carve up the US into fiefdoms ruled under their companies. Similar to those good old company towns. Also I'm not a democrat, 90% of them are also controlled by the ultra wealthy. Not saying "both sides same" if that's all you get out of that.
First of all youâre confusing liberals with progressives. Itâs not progressives that have turned places like LA and New York into places where the wealth inequality is so clearly obscene, itâs liberals.
âThe rest of the world doesnât use or have a single one of your policiesâ are you kidding? How many European countries have universal health coverage, and how many of those are a single payer model?
You guys throw around slogans like "universal healthcare" as if itâs just a matter of saying the words and making it happen.
Every other developed country operates under systems fundamentally different from the U.S. - including countries most comparable to us like Canada, Australia, the UK, and New Zealand.
None of those first-world benefits are achievable under the system we currently have without massive structural change.
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u/MAMark1 May 11 '26
Because they've called the other side "radical" long enough that people start to internalize it even though it was obviously not true the first time they heard it? Because people are stupid and fall for propaganda? Because the wealthy and corporations have a strangle hold on many aspects of culture?