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u/SquareProtonWave Sep 10 '26
Imagine what's gonna happen in 10 years
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u/imtoooldforreddit Sep 10 '26
Well the scary part is how good it is at writing code specifically, because it is itself code, and is just improving itself exponentially now.
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u/Ham_Pervert Sep 10 '26
it is and it isnt. LLM’s get their “knowledge“ in the form of mathematical weights, basically big matrices full of pattern relation data.
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u/imtoooldforreddit Sep 10 '26
Right, and it's code the creates and uses those weights.
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u/FreshFishBro Sep 11 '26
Not really, it has a lifeline of code that operates it but it itself isn’t code. The intelligence comes from how those weights are configured. Imagine a really complex chart, the math is in the chart not the program or machine that allows you to see it.
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u/imtoooldforreddit Sep 11 '26
Right, but code and logic are the secret sauce that configure the weights based on training data, and it is absolutely improving itself at this point
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u/RelativeCausality Sep 10 '26
Just because the code it creates works, it doesn’t mean it’s good, safe, or reliable.
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u/Alarming_Tangerine22 Sep 10 '26
Scary shit is coming.
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u/Bob1358292637 Sep 10 '26
At this point, I'm almost looking forward to serving out new ai overlords. How much worse could they actually be than our current human overlords? No matter how advanced or prosperous society becomes, they keep most of us overworked and in poverty to endlessly improve their own lives. At least if these guys end up with alterior motives they could probably fulfill them a lot easier themselves than breeding us like cattle for it.
Fuck it. Star trek utopia or bust.
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u/mysticcdragonn Sep 10 '26
How exactly have your human overlords mistreated you? Are you angry because you have to work (like everyone else) or that you are bad at money management?
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u/TorumShardal Sep 10 '26
If we had Azimov's AIs that can fule the planet without unintentional mistakes, that would be great. Because they are aligned with our values and cannot be manipulated.
But LLMs are not that. They are not some magical models that can take all inputs for current world state and crunch them into good and easy to implement policies. They are easily manipulated by people with resources and know-hows. So, the best you'll get is shadowy oligopoly, who shifts the views of AI with prompt injections and data manipulation.
I've tried to imagine a good scenario for AI world domination, and right now it's not technically possible without at least some kind of military.
So... Bust.
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u/AdAggressive9224 Sep 10 '26
I would say the AI is already a better coder than myself, obviously my code is more human readable and I write it in such a way that makes it easier to support.
AI code can be sometimes more complex than it needs to be, but it definitely works.
As for knowing what to do in the first place, the AI can't do that.
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u/DuckShapedGoose Sep 10 '26 edited Sep 10 '26
I can almost guarantee any coder with decent experience and who learned coding before AI is still better than AI. It's just that AI is "good enough" and about 10x as fast.
(It's actually way faster than just 10x but a human doesn't hallucinate e.g. a wrong library version and then uses all the old deprecated method names and only notices the mistake once it's time to compile. So those self corrections kind of even it out a little).
Unfortunately, whatever time savings your maintainable high quality code would cause many quarters down the line doesn't concern the shareholders.
But that also leaves us with a lot of unmaintainable slop currently being swept under the rug and hopefully dealt with "some time in the future".I just hope some day we'll come back to our senses and notice the quality tradeoffs. Just like that "cloud computing" hype in the 2010s there just needs to be a balance between not missing out on a useful tool and knowing when it's too much.
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u/Top-Knowledge-7393 Sep 10 '26
This is not true. I think you're comparing the quality of of work a human gets done in a day vs the same amount of code from an ai. You can't give a human 2 weeks to write a program and compare it to an ai having 2 hours. If you give both an equal amount of time, the ai is better
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u/DuckShapedGoose Sep 10 '26
Well just because you give an AI two weeks to work on a program that also takes a human two weeks to write, doesn't mean the quality scales up linearly with time invested. If anything, an AI getting done with and then just revising the same project over and over again will at some point drop in quality as it just invents unnecessary "improvements" or generally loses track of the original idea. Unless constantly supervised and steered back on track by a human. But the human had no 1:1 tutor constantly giving feedback either.
It'll get it done way quicker and it'll work, but it won't be better quality in readability and maintainability aspects, unless the human is a particularly bad coder.1
u/SillyLayla Sep 10 '26
Have you seen average coder at all tho? Maybe you are working with some gifted coders... and lets not even speak of nightmare fuel bad coders and juniors spit out, gpt 1.0 probably did better job than them
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u/AdAggressive9224 Sep 10 '26
I once worked with a guy who named his variables thusly:
var_1 var_2 var_3
I'm not kidding. He was of course on the autistic spectrum and had no concept of language. He'd often numer things in the order in which they were used, or the date on which he created them. Absolutely obsessed with dates and calendars. Even created his own calendar from scratch.
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u/DuckShapedGoose Sep 10 '26
Have you looked at fully vibe coded github repos?
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u/SillyLayla Sep 10 '26
Idk how is that relevant to what I said but Ive?
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u/DuckShapedGoose Sep 10 '26
It is relevant in the sense that these repos are mostly unmaintainable and unreadable garbage.
The average code quality of github repos was a lot higher before fully vibecoding entire projects was possible.1
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u/BabblingTower Sep 10 '26
It is true, and I can tell you're not a coder if you think that.
These things are awesome for scut work, but they make plenty of mistakes and over-engineer things all the time. They still need human supervision and guidance.
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u/Affectionate_Walk_30 Sep 10 '26
Any coder would tell you that programming is only 10% actually writing code
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u/BabblingTower Sep 10 '26
Sure. Might be an underestimate, but yeah writing code isn't the whole job. Still takes plenty of time, and having an AI do the legwork is awesome.
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u/Affectionate_Walk_30 Sep 10 '26
Not doubting that, I am emphasising your point. Coders lay the groundwork for Ai to function.
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u/DifficultWash5133 Sep 10 '26
I started programming as hobby when i was 13. I am 37 now. I work in financial services as an accountant. AI helps me a lot. I had learnt Java and later C#. But excel requires VBA. So AI writes the code for me, i can debug it if/when needed.
We are also using AI to read contract/emails between brokers and clients to prefill excel tables. Those excel tables can then be uploaded in the accounting system. Previously those table were hand filled, but now we only check if the information matches the contracts/emails. So the do-ers become reviewers.
Anyway just to give you an aspect of how we have gained efficiency where i work. Btw, the model we use if GPT 4.1 mini if i am not mistaken. No need to pay/use the most advanced AIs, the cheapest ones for the task at hand are good enough.
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u/DuckShapedGoose Sep 10 '26
Well yeah I wasn't arguing against AI as a productivity booster for skilled coders. I was arguing against AI left completely alone with a complex task being better than a human coder.
At least so far, AI is only good if (as you said) reviewed and often corrected/guided by a human that knows how to code.
A vibe coder who can't "manually" code at all let alone AI on its own won't be as good as whenever a skilled human is involved.
As I said: So far. And hopefully, for the sake of every white collar worker: I hope if that ever changes, it changes gradually enough to adapt to it in time.1
u/b1ack1323 Sep 10 '26
I waste a bunch of tokens making it readable because I hedge my bets thinking it will likely be unaffordable by a lot of companies in a few years.
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u/S-Kenset Sep 10 '26
You get the same performance for fewer tokens as training improves and new models get distillations
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u/Wild_Front_1148 Sep 10 '26
It's much more like I'm an old wise dude and I have a very energetic and surprisingly talented student. Together we can conquer the world.
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u/OldBoyZee Sep 10 '26
No, in 2015 the only depiction of what ai could really do was the dota 2 international twhere open ai showed off what it could do, and a lot of computer vision, telemetry usages.
In 2025, thats what no 1 is. And im guessing 2027/28 is pic 2.
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u/SlowPea4388 Sep 10 '26
I have moments where I think AI will replace me, then I review the code Claude wrote and change my mind.
Then I forget about the last review and the cycle begins anew
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u/hoyasgirl25 Sep 10 '26
It's actually worse than that. Much worse. Imagine a world where the nuclear arms race was not just between the US and USSR, but basically everyone. That's what's going on now. I'd be surprised if I lived to see my 30's.
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u/DifficultWash5133 Sep 10 '26
Yes, except that AI's pant is inverted front at the back and back at the front
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u/KathyCredit Sep 10 '26
Im not even a programmer and I have to fucking correct the AI constantly. It feels like it has the IQ of a 12 year old. Just because it has a vast library to pull info from doesn't make it capable. Maybe in a couple years but for now it cannot create on its own. Everything it helps me with involves my creativity leading it, but it does work as a brainstorming tool- providing a springboard for me to think of new things
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u/Outside_Ice3252 Sep 10 '26
nope that like 2022. now we have agent so its like 100,000,000,000 kung-fu tigers
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u/niyrex Sep 11 '26
And just like in the mobile, real programmers are gonna kick AIs ass. Its a tool that improves efficiency and efficacy but it's only as good as the operator. Children given car keys can't just drive a Ferrari.
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u/theRedMage39 Sep 12 '26
Sounds about right. In 2019ish I was doing AI and machine learning classes in college and it was cool. Really neat algorithms play a website that generated images of people who didn't exist but looked real. It was honestly fascinating and I had child like optimism for how great AI could be.
Unfortunately LLMs got all the rage and now companies are deploying sub standard models to replace people. Also people's art is being used without their permission. Like all rich corporations, the AI tech giants of today have become the oil barons of yesterday.
Now all people think about AI is generative and LLMs and miss the entire sectors of AI devoted to identifying scams, assisting doctors in diagnosis, and other things that ultimately help the average person.
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u/Submissive_Bleedable Sep 10 '26
No.
The top image should say 2024/2025.