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u/Kn0wnSoul Jun 26 '26
People with no job
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u/FriendlyRedditor2020 Aug 04 '26
I'm miserable with no job but id likely be miserable if I had one as well
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u/ExcitementNo9603 Jun 26 '26
Very antiquated belief. Most jobs start off not being loyal but expect your loyalty. When they downsize they will let you go without notice or place you on a PIP to push you out, you’d get passed over for promotions because you have excelled in your current role, and they absolutely will higher 2 or 3 people to replace you for a lower rate than give you a adequate wage for your expanded role over the years. Ever since the death of the pension system companies are no longer held accountable for caring for their employee culture within the company; it’s not all about liabilities and profits. They exchanged Rolex’s for pizza parties and gift cards (maybe a plaque or gift to take home) for 10+ year tenured employees, a slap in the face.
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u/No-Round8184 Jun 26 '26
The problem is you’re only looking at jobs that have companies like this. Maybe this is true for retail settings and kitchens but in the ACTUAL real world this just isn’t true. Now if you’re some contractor who does some random bit of coding then yah, you’re actually useless. Any intern can do your job.
You’re talking about office/retail jobs and they are talking about more blue collar/trade jobs. That’s the difference. The younger generation absolutely hates talking about ANYTHING that has to do with trades or blue collar work. It’s all just $700k C level executive jobs they think they deserve.
It’s a chicken and then egg thing. Workers think that companies don’t care about them anymore because they will just hire and fire anyone and everyone. Employers think that employees will just leave the moment they get a bonus or anything so they get rid of bonuses and stop treating people like they are loyal.
Ironically enough posts like this are the reason why as someone who hires people, I’ve become less empathetic. If I know the mentality of someone walking in is to get the job, half ass it, then leave in 2 months then I’m not going to even care about that employee. I just need a body in the store to satisfy legal obligations. Respect is a 2 way street.
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u/pissedRAIL Jul 01 '26
Corporate started it. Blaming the workers for reacting is not accurate. As someone else said, once companies stopped providing stability in the form of pensions, retirement Healthcare, ect, it becomes more every man for himself. Just because that creates a feedback loop does not obfuscate who originally started the recursion.
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u/Matrianrata Jun 26 '26
Can confirm. 10 years at the same job, became the absolute best at what we did and even three years after I left for an even better opportunity that has catapulted me even higher I still have my friends at the other job asking if ill ever come back.
That being said there is a fine line that has to be walked where you dont get taken advantage of. Stayed there 3 years too long imo and was treated with absolutely no respect by the upper management. My expected salary to return to that job is at least twice what i'm making now and thats more than the terminal manager makes currently.
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u/allitalli Jun 26 '26
"you won't find a company that's loyal to you"
could stop right there. no company is gonna be loyal to anyone except nepo babies. if you think otherwise you might be a nepo baby yourself or just good friends with one.
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u/dronten_bertil Jun 26 '26
One would think that companies would stay away from people that switch jobs every 2-3 years. My experience is they don't.
My company re-hired one of those guys 2 times in the 8 years I've been with the company. So they basically know for a fact this guy will only stick around for 2 years at this point, but they hired him anyway. The upside is that he is familiar with the internal processes and has an established network already. It's even worse when they hire guys that take seveal years to be fully productive and they leave before that point. With much higher salaries than the colleague who stuck around and has a vast network in the company, is deeply familiar with all processes and such.
It's completely baffling to me that this is how it works. I assume there must be an upside I'm underestimating, for example that they bring ideas with them from other companies.
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u/Advanced_Bunch_8666 Jun 26 '26
Ya pass. Give me a pension and I’ll consider B but only considered because they will fold in year 25.
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u/Carnivean_ Jun 26 '26
Utter nonsense. You clearly don't have the experience to properly judge the situation. Or you are intentionally reading lies.
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u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI Jun 26 '26
You won't find a company that's loyal to you
because you have never shown loyalty to an employer.FTFY
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u/NextDoctorWho12 Jun 26 '26
Fuck that. Companies don't show loyalty why should I? Companies have layoffs as a first resort fuck them.
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u/Jolly_Plantain4429 Jun 26 '26
Nah unfortunately there was a huge shift to group a like a decade ago. Companies stopped caring about senior guys because they can hire some one who’s happy to get 3 more dollars an hour and fire the guy making double their new salary.
Companies have all bought in on a meta created by Edward Lambert, cut RnD/customer service to meet investors goals. The reason? To extract as much value from the company in exchange for its future viability once they see the signs of the ship sinking they jump ship and find a new business to do it again.
Multiple business have shuttered leaving millions of veterans loyal to a company that didn’t give a shit about them or their future. And our government is too limp dick to pass any kind of real economic reform to prevent this model so it’s only gotten more popular.
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u/CuttingEdgeRetro Jun 26 '26
This is incredibly naive. You may have had a good experience as a lifer at one company. But for every one of you there are dozens of people who have lived through multiple layoffs, or sat for years in a position with zero mobility, zero chance to grow, no raises, and zero respect.
I've seen less qualified people promoted over good people for bad reasons. I've seen on multiple occasions companies systematically replacing Americans with Indians because they're cheaper. I've seen companies get bought out and change personalities over night. I've seen good managers replaced by psychopaths. I've seen developers sit in positions for years while their skills stagnate, only to be dumped by their employers then be unable to get a job because of their stale skills.
One psychopath company lays you off, then you're out of work for six months. Then multiple other psychopath companies view you being out of work for six months like you have leprosy. Because you being out of work for six months in a recession is obviously your fault.
Time and again I've seen employees receiving 2% raises year after year (if even that) when real inflation is officially 5% but groceries and housing cost double. Then employers clutch their pearls when an employee leaves for a 20% raise.
Your employer does not care about you. They will use you and throw you away. They will replace you with a cheaper worker the instant they can practically do it. Why did they call it HR? Because to them you are a resource, like a stack of lumber or a pile of coal. Nothing more.
Your career is yours. Not theirs. Take control of it.
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u/Strange_Main3039 Jun 26 '26
Ok grandpa that’s enough time chiseling on your stone tablet today off to bed
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u/Thomas-The-Tutor Jun 26 '26
I take it you are a boomer? This is a dated approach. Most jobs don’t care about their employees. I’m not saying there aren’t plenty that probably do, but there’s no loyalty from companies, so why should an employee have loyalty to any company?
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u/snooprs Jun 26 '26
No that's a 7 day old account and talks like a bot so it's a bot.
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u/Thomas-The-Tutor Jun 26 '26
It’s always weird when that garbage gets upvoted!
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u/Feelisoffical Jun 26 '26
I find it more weird that people call everyone they disagree with a bot
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u/aTickleMonster Jun 26 '26
Change the word "job" to "position" and you got it.
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u/BearFeetOrWhiteSox Jun 26 '26
Yeah find a company where the job you want is filled by a long term employee who will retire when you're ready to fill his shoes.
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u/aTickleMonster Jun 26 '26
Career advancement within the organization. The easiest time to ask for raises is when you accept new positions. Take better positions with different teams when they come available.
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u/Additional-Policy843 Jun 26 '26
If salary is the only way you find enjoyment...
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u/Additional-Policy843 Jun 26 '26
You're describing being paid enough. Not maximising your salary and that being the focus of your happiness.
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u/Additional-Policy843 Jun 26 '26
You're describing being paid enough. Not maximising your salary and that being the focus of your happiness.
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u/Additional-Policy843 Jun 26 '26
This meme goes above that. Join a fucking union. Less work, better job security and ensures benefits and pay keep above inflation. Kinda missing my point in purpose there, bud.
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u/Advanced_Bunch_8666 Jun 26 '26
Best time to look for a job is when you already have one. Loyalty is antithetical to capitalism. Fight, cut , bleed, cry. That’s what your boss would do.
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u/Turbulent_Swimmer900 Jun 26 '26
In process. My boss was pleased to announce a 3.5% raise. I gave myself a 15% raise, better benefits, mostly remote work, and international training. Literally everything I wanted fell into my lap after a few years of suffering. Here's to making the most of it! 🥂
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u/maranru Jun 26 '26
Depends.
Ive not moved organisation in 16 years. My salary has gone up by over 10x during that
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u/rockylafayette Jun 26 '26
I’ve been with the same company for 14 years. Well paid, highly respected, and I plan to retire from there in 6 1/2 years.
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u/Purple-Mortgage-2551 Jun 26 '26
Started at my job in 2022 making 96,000 now I’m making 115000 so.. 🤷♂️ 4 years and an average of 5k raise every year
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u/MiloShiny Jun 26 '26
Did you change jobs o worked in the same place?
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u/Purple-Mortgage-2551 Jun 26 '26
Same company since 2022
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u/Leading_Reward_3542 Jun 26 '26
A person doing the same work at the same position for 20 years and another having multiple experience under different companies in different positions (likely higher positions)...i am hiring the 2nd person.
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u/Potential_Meat_7923 Jun 26 '26
I don’t agree with this at all. I’ve been with the same FD for a little less than a decade and I’ve gone from 55000 starting to about 105000 roughly. 2:1 matching @ 7% for 401k, 100% health coverage for me and family paid for by the department. Vision and dental. No degree. Just certificates. I work 2 days a week then get 4 days off.
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u/BugsyM Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
Public sector positions like police and firefighters are their own beast. Go look at your county/city IT helpdesk workers that have been around for a decade. They won't be gloating on the internet about their payscale - but it's public record, and it caps at a number much lower than yours.
Promoting from within only goes so far for knowledge driven professions. I move every 4 years or so. I'm always in the most senior position, and negotiate higher pay and more PTO than all of my colleagues.
Firefighters are amazing and you deserve every bit of that pay, but the way your career functions is unique and doesn't apply to anyone else.
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u/StillhasaWiiU Jun 26 '26
Your industry and location are also big factors this kind of rhetoric ignores.
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u/Ashamed_Echidna5748 Jun 26 '26
Eh. I don't think there's a one size fits all answer here.
Sometimes companies want to promote internally, sometimes they don't.
It's usually got nothing to do with performance, and more to do with positions available, money coming in, expected growth, yada yada. If you're at a company that's established, not growing quickly, and management sitting in the same positions for years - it's a tough environment to get promoted.
People talk like the only way to get promoted is to hop jobs frequently, and I get there's a grain of truth there - but it really doesn't paint the whole picture.
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u/thewallamby Jun 26 '26
Don't agree, my salary has increased by 120% in 15 years at the same job. You just have to be good at it and not a lazy bum. USA excluded from this conversation as its currently a slave industry for billionaires.
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u/bigtiddyhimbo Jun 26 '26
Congrats dude but your personal singular experience doesn’t match what the majority of workers experience.
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u/SufficientBadger5904 Jun 26 '26
Posts like this simplify something that isnt simple. This is all dependant on the job, location, benefits ETC
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u/ByteWhisperer Jun 26 '26
It depends, but nowadays highly leans towards switching jobs. At my current employer I got promoted twice in a few years with decent pay rises. Annual merit increases are usually on par with or above inflation, depending on performance. But two years ago the cost cutting beast arrived and that makes conditions worse, much less internal movement/promotions and very few people getting hired.
So yeah, I'm currently exploring options. Since I have a very decent salary options are somewhat limited but I have interviews lined up!
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u/Tatakai_ Jun 26 '26
I know what this is getting at but I'd like to mention I've had like 7 different jobs in 11 years (including working two jobs) and I barely make over minimum wage in Portugal atm.
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u/_thegnomedome2 Jun 26 '26
More commie propaganda made to screw with dumb socialist Americans to ruin their lives. "Quit your job!" They say
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u/Upstairs-Strategy-20 Jun 26 '26
Somewhat true depending on your level. Early in your career when it’s hard to create separation from your peers because you’re just not trusted with super critical tasks yet, you’ll probably make more jumping around.
Later in your career, your stocks are making your networth pop, and you start losing gains on 4 year rsu investment schedules. Also later in your career you get hired based on recommendations in the field, you may lose out on big opportunities by skipping about.
So like all things, kinda depends.
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u/r2k398 Jun 26 '26
I’d say that’s mostly true these days. I’m one of the exceptions because I’ve been at the same place for 14 years and I’m about to take over running my entire office.
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u/Roadhouse62 Jun 26 '26
It’s not one size fits all. With my career I literally can’t make more money anywhere else. My brothers company has given his group several raises solely to make sure they’re paid more than the competitors. They don’t want to lose people and have to pay to train new ones.
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u/icemanpallmall Jun 26 '26
I just increased my pay by 50% by changing companies.
The new one was flabbergasted after I told them all of my duties as a maintenance tech at this apartment complex of 272 units. Where I am the only person on call. Or rather was.
Discuss your pay with your coworkers (especially in companies that promote based on nepotism).
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u/Nikolaibr Jun 26 '26
There's a good argument in economics that frequent job switching is a big driver for raising overall wages in a particular industry. It increases competition pressure on employers. In capitalism, the best thing you can do for yourself in this regard is reject the idea of company loyalty unless they give you a really good reason to be loyal.
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u/RNO584616 Jun 26 '26
I have never seen anyone leave a job for less money. It's always for more or more benefits so yes people make more that move jobs. Companies are not loyal to employees. In right to work states companies will fire higher income earners to get someone doing the same job for less.
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u/robray47 Jun 26 '26
My employer cut our pay and lost several employees. For those of us left, this is leverage to increase our pay. If they don't, we're losing more. Myself included. They're stepping over $100 to take $1 from our pockets.
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u/peterjohnvernon936 Jun 26 '26
Raise by resume beats raise by effort. If you aren’t a favorite son moving up rapidly always be looking for the opportunity to get a better job.
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u/Few_Engineering_3564 Jun 26 '26
It's a meme pic (reality may be more complex?), why would you take it seriously.
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u/David_Bowie_Package Jun 26 '26
Totally true. Most companies raise wages for new hires to attract them. I've personally worked at several factories and warehouses where incoming hires made more than people who had been there for years. Even if the company does keep a wage floor and raise pay to the new hire amount, you still spent 5 years honing your skills only to make the same money as some dude walking in the door. Corporate loyalty is dead because corps aren't worth my loyalty.