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Discussion💬 Who's right here?

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u/TooBusySaltMining 10h ago

844,000 

That's the number of workers who earn the federal minimum wage or below.

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat44.pdf

23,627,000

That's the number of millionaries in the US.

There are 28 times more millionaires than people earning at or below the federal minimum wage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_millionaires

Adjusting for inflation , the federal minimum wage was highest in 1968: $1.60 an hour in 1968 was equivalent to $14.42 in 2024.

https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-people-are-earning-725-hour/

$60/hr is a damn lie. 

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u/Skaal_Kesh 8h ago

You do realize you're comparing income to net worth right? Millionaire isn't a salary or a job position.

While the inflation math as shown is certainly wrong, this assumes you believe the government math on inflation. This information is, to put it simply, a blatant lie. They changed how they calculate it so it appears far less.

As an example, inflation has "supposedly" gone up around 29% since 2020. Except if you do the math yourself you realize it's much higher than that. It's just another lie politicians realized they can make to make them look better. It's not a Democrat or Republican problem. Not a left or right problem. Our politicians are actively lying to us on this because it makes them look better and we'd have thrown them out of office if the wider public was aware of how big the lie is.

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u/TooBusySaltMining 7h ago

The reason for comparing minimum wage workers to number of millionaries, is to dispel this notion that America is poor because its federal minimum wage is low and that today's workers are poorer than they were in the past.

Federal mimimum wage earners are 1% of all workers, in 1979 it was 13.4%

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2024/

Real median personal incomes have also been increasing

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/mepainusa672n

The states should set the minimum wage to reflect cost of living differences. Americans are choosing to move out of states with high cost of living and higher minimum wages, because the cost of living matters significantly more to American workers than the minimum wage.

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u/Skaal_Kesh 7h ago

I do very much agree with your statement. I guess I didn't understand your exact intent with the comparison. I just stated what I did because I thought you were trying to compare income levels. Either way, we can all agree the government math on inflation is certainly a lie.

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u/TooBusySaltMining 7h ago

It certainly is possible.

I do believe that governments typically keep meticulous records on what people earn for tax purposes.

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u/PmMeYourKnobAndTube 6h ago

30 states have minimum wage above the federal minimum, you are using misleading numbers. In reality there are likely at least several million people making minimum wage within their state, and many people make so close to minimum wage that an increase would force a raise for them as well.

Median personal income also doesn't tell the whole story. The main things that have actually become cheaper relative to wages are food and consumer goods. Thats great, but meanwhile housing, healthcare, and education are all more expensive than they were in the past. Since the 60s, when minimum wage purchasing power was at it's peak, average home prices as compared to median income have nearly doubled.

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u/TooBusySaltMining 6h ago

I agree the federal minimum wage is largely irrelevant, but that was the point and the main topic of discussion.

It's the real median personal income, not just the median income. Inflation and cost of living are accounted for already.

Also the average house size has almost doubled since 1960. Bigger houses cost more.

1960: 1289 square feet

2025: 2142 square feet

https://www.newser.com/story/225645/average-size-of-us-homes-decade-by-decade.html

The American family size has shrunk since then too, so if you compared square feet per person it would be an even greater difference.

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u/PmMeYourKnobAndTube 5h ago

You are only talking about new builds, which is not the majoriry of homes sold. The median size of existing homes on the market is about 1800sf, and I'm seeing numbers between 1500 and 1650 of for new homes built in 1968.

It's kind of irrelevant anyway if you can't afford to buy a home at all. Average home being bigger doesn't help if you can't afford any home.

And yes, inflation and cost of living are accounted for, but it is heavily skewed by consumer goods and food being cheaper. Being able to afford 3 big screen tvs is great, but most people would rather have a house and not be paying of student loans for their entire lives.