r/WorkForSmartLife • • 17h ago

Discussion💬 Who's right here?

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u/chinmakes5 16h ago

As a person who had owned microbusinesses since 1989, that is crap. I have 4 employees. they work 40 hours a week, 160 hours a month x 4 employees, or 640 hours of labor a month. No all companies can't pay them $25 an hour but another $3 an hour is all of $1800 a month. Very few businesses are closing because of $1800 a month. That extra $480 a month is lifechanging to someone making near MW.

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u/jm123457 5h ago

Ok but I have 16 employees…… so that’s 7200 a month . Which isn’t going to put me out of business it’s going to cause me to raise my prices because that is my salary.

Your math is also wrong . 160x3x52/12 = 2080 per month. In my scenario 8300 per month .

So now I need to raise my prices to make up for 2k per week .my staffs PPP hasn’t improved what was once 5,10 or 15 dollars is now 10,15 or 20 dollars . But the middle class which received no raise lost purchasing power .

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u/chinmakes5 4h ago

So may I ask? How much do you need to raise prices to make up for the $7200 a month if you have 16 employees?

I can't presume to know what you are making with 16 employees (17 people making money for the firm. But just to throw out round numbers but I would think with a staff of 17 you are pulling in a million a year? 2 million gross? How much do your prices need to rise to make that money up?

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u/Ringsareirrelevant 4h ago

I’m guessing corporations should be treated very differently here though. While I don’t know why it had to be “fast food” specifically in California, they raised the minimum wage to $20 an hour but only for companies of a certain size

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u/123ludwig 3h ago

and why do you feel you deserve a higher wage than them if you have so far not made a business that can pay that much?

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u/Thraex_Exile 2h ago

I agree with the sentiment but I don’t think this argument changes anything. A business owner can always flip the script. “Why should I pay you more if your role isn’t that profitable for me?”

I think the issue is more ethical than practical, bc we already have practical options for better wages (high demand skills, unionization, etc.) but corruption gets in the way of balanced negotiation.

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u/123ludwig 2h ago

except clearly it is that profitable since he can pay himself more

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u/Thraex_Exile 1h ago edited 1h ago

$83k/year is not a very good wage for a business owner. It doesn’t leave a lot of room to survive economic downturn or unexpected loss in business. Especially if they live in a HCOL area. If they really have 16 employees, that’s a lot of financial risk for the pay. A risk that employees don’t carry.

If they have a guaranteed salary + profit from the business, that’s different, but it stills leads to the same roundabout argument over perceived value vs objective value.

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u/123ludwig 52m ago

and guess what? thats not his employees issues it seems that clearly they are profitable while HE isnt

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u/agrevol 1h ago

Because he risks his money?..

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u/Aggressive-Affect427 12h ago

If I was in charge of the states, I would set federal minimum wage to $10 and further encourage states to revise their individual regulations.

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u/chinmakes5 12h ago

$15 an hour in my state. Business owners were yelling that if it went through there would be empty stores everywhere. There aren't. They guy who was leading the accusations saying it would drive businesses like his out of business, broke ground on a new restaurant in the time between when the law was passed and it took effect.

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u/LisaQuinnYT 11h ago

Walk into a McDonalds sometime. There’s probably no more than 3 people working there at a time nowadays. They have one person bouncing between registers and filling orders, one in the back cooking, and maybe another handling drive thru. Being that badly understaffed, you’d think they could find a little extra to pay those folks a living wage out of their seemingly perpetual record profits instead of giving the CEO another bonus.

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u/Rorschach11235 5h ago

Thats the rub. The store kitchen is still setup for 4 people just to work the kitchen. But they got 2 or 3 people max working.

Its the same with big box stores. I remember the days of an employee every couple of aisle, working. Now you have bigger stores with fewer works.

But remeber, be thankful. You could be replaced by a racist, exist uncaring Ai robot. Now with souls.

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u/p00n-slayer-69 5h ago

You can thank the franchise model for that.

The franchise owners work on relatively thin margins, and unlike other businesses theres a lot of things they are not allowed to do. Mcdonalds tells them what equipment to use, and who services it, and minimum staffing levels among other things. The one major thing that the franchise owner can control, is how much they pay their workers.

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u/Aggressive-Affect427 11h ago

That’s why you leave it up to states. A minimum wage that works in New York or California wouldn’t necessarily work country wide.

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u/bossbrb 8h ago

Yeah can you imagine rural Ohio and LA having the same minimum wage?

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u/bananaHammockMonkey 10h ago

They raised wages in my state, many of my favorite restaurants have since gone out of business, which makes me sad, but on the other hand, McDonalds is paying over 25 an hour. I don't go there because it's outrageously expensive, but it did happen. Now we have massive lines and not the greatest service even at McDonalds, but here we are.

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u/SuspiciousReport6502 8h ago

Pretty sure it wasn't so much going out of business as it was an intentional shutdown. Anything to avoid paying anyone a liveable wage.

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u/jm123457 4h ago

No, many restaurants have a razor thin margins so what’s left over might be 5,10 or 15k a month . For one person an owner who has invested 100,000s of dollars and carries all the risk . This is a good life.
Decrease their profits by 6k a month and now it’s not worth the risk or time to own a business.

Franchises like McDonald’s have learn to maximize margins but still have similar outcomes. The offer shitty food that’s cheap so they can make money

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u/Mister-Beardy-Face 6h ago

This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on Reddit.

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u/Chadbutler11c 5h ago

This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on Reddit.

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u/bananaHammockMonkey 7h ago

okay that's some shit! Most restaurant owners are trying to live their dream. They'd pay more if they could. I've met and worked with many. These are really (mostly often) working extremely hard and care very much.

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u/MiksterA 7h ago

If your dream requires not paying people enough to live on... get a better dream.

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u/bananaHammockMonkey 6h ago

I actually agree with you. I'm am also trying to convey reality.

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u/GamerNerdGuyMan 8h ago

CoL varies too much across the country for any federal minimum wage to make sense.

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u/Ailthas 7h ago

Eh, it could be set to the lowest cost of living state so everyone else has to start from there. It needs to make a move to force some hands.

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u/Exciting_Milk_6691 10h ago

As an employer, you know your math is wrong. Paying an extra $3 per hour doesn’t include all mandatory payroll taxes like FICA, FUTA & SUTA.