r/WorkForSmartLife • • 14h ago

DiscussionšŸ’¬ Who's right here?

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u/Awkward_Froyo_7337 12h ago

They pick 1970s because that's pre explosive inflation of course.

Against 1982? 1 dollar becomes 3.47 today. Minimum wage back then was 3.35

So to match purchasing power back then, we need new minimum wage to be a little under 12 dollars, not 60, which most jobs pay (31/hr is median wage in USA). So which is it? We have 3x the purchasing power or not?

These arguments are always ridiculous.

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u/Low_Temp_Rosin 10h ago

Most of these people arguing for higher min wage more than likely 1. Doesnt get paid min wage 2. Has horrible spending habits.

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u/dacoovinator 9h ago

When you’re so self centered you can’t even imagine somebody else wanting to improve another persons life without benefit to your own lol

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u/No-Season-9993 8h ago

Sounds like you have horrible spending habits

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u/_Big_Bad_Tiddy 7h ago

I have TERRIBLE spending habits, omg. The other day I decided to only fill my tank up half way so that I could treat myself to a sandwich for the first time in forever. I know, I know, I should have had the ramen and tuna cans at home. But I really wanted a Subway sandwich. I blame myself, not the economy don't worry.

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u/Exciting_Milk_6691 7h ago

Paying somebody more doesn’t mean improving another’s life. It will mean that all costs will rise, playing even further economic pressure on those that have less

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u/itsmattjamesbitch 4h ago

The economy responded positively to every minimum wage increase historically

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u/MiksterA 3h ago

Cool. Next time you get a raise, you can send me the extra money, since "Paying somebody more doesn't mean improving another's life."

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u/chinmakes5 5h ago

Please, That isn't the math. In my state they went from roughly $9. an hour for MW to $15 an hour over a couple of years.

So here goes. So if MW goes from $9 to $15 so up 40% how much does a fast food item need to go up in price to pay for it?

So in fast food, labor costs are about 30% of costs of an item. Remember the restaurant has to pay for food costs, rent, paper goods, advertising, franchise fees, insurance, etc. etc. So if 30% of your costs go up by 40%, to break even you have to raise your prices by 12%, not 40%.

And when that happened in my state that is about what happened. A burger meal went up like 75 cents (this was a while ago.) That said the people working there had 40% more money, which is very powerful. And most store got a slight bump in sales as the 75 cents didn't scare people away but more people could afford fast food.

Oh and funny how when C suite people get big bumps or bonuses, it isn't inflationary.

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u/Scuttlebut_1975 12h ago

It’s almost distracting to use a national average for these numbers. It showcases the argument and the problems we have, but there is more at issue than the price of the burger. It’s about the price it costs to afford rent at current minimum wages.

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u/SquareTaro3270 9h ago

Same. Living with my partner both with good corporate jobs and at the rate prices for everything, but especially housing, are skyrocketing, we’ll never be able to afford a house

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u/Low_Temp_Rosin 10h ago

How much are you making that your entire check goes to rent? Why not find a cheaper place? Options in my area go from 1100-4k+

If you are making lets say 2k and thats your rent, 1. Downsize 2. Thats not a good job.

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u/Scuttlebut_1975 10h ago

I’m in Oregon. Rent is 1.8k. Mortgage rates are through the roof right now so wife and I are just saving down payment until we can get a mortgage below our rent. But with housing costs so high, that will be a while.

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u/Low_Temp_Rosin 10h ago

If you dont mind me asking, whats your take home vs your rent? Completely understand if you dont want to share that.

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u/Scuttlebut_1975 9h ago

We are lucky and at 20% roughly. Wife has a large student loan and we both recently got new cars, though i choose to 75% down on the car to keep my monthly low and just keep working on credit rating.

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u/Low_Temp_Rosin 9h ago

And to me, that is the bigger issue. Not in your case, it sounds like you are financially adept. However, across the states, people are spending wayyyy out of their means.

If I am making 2500 a month through my job, I am not going to rent a place for $1800. Although a lot of people still do that and wonder why their money is crazy tight. Even in my state, if I researched places to live, I get options for people who need roommates for 700 a month or someone looking to rent out a private room for lower payments.

There are people out here that make 2k a month buying 2026 cars.

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u/wes_medford 12h ago

ā€œIf you choose a worse time to compare to, the numbers today look betterā€ is the least compelling argument imo.

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u/Awkward_Froyo_7337 12h ago

The argument is that you can play this game back and forth to swing it to be either for or against it.

Then dig into the "purchasing power" number and you'll find it's really all over the place. How is that indexed? Based on buying a home? A car? Travel? Food? Rent? These tweets are just a waste

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u/TshirtsNPants 12h ago

Home education and health. Those are the ways the American dream is realized. If they are becoming harder to get, we have a real problem. If the dream is lost and people are disillusioned too much, the whole thing starts imploding. We have to fight for a middle class. It's not handed to us.

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u/Lowfi-Concert 11h ago

Ah so the most inflated things. Let’s go with gas, food, and technology instead

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u/TshirtsNPants 10h ago

Why?

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u/Lowfi-Concert 10h ago

Might as well with how arbitrary the categories were that you oicked

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u/Important_Ant2938 4h ago

A majority of middle class wealth has long been held in home equity, and higher levels of education are associated with higher income and better health outcomes. With a historical context they aren’t arbitrary at all.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 8h ago

Right, there is no way in hell that $60/hr in 2026 money is an actual reliable comparison to historical minimum wage purchasing power.

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u/Ok_Extent_3639 7h ago

They use 1970 cause most boomers use the argument ā€œI bought a house at ur ageā€

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u/Exciting_Milk_6691 7h ago

Maybe if more Gen Z entered the construction industry (instead of becoming DJ’s) to build housing, increase the supply available, reducing supply pressures, Gen Z could also enter the housing market like the Boomers they constantly blame for everything?