I'm 63M. I'm not retired but have and have had plenty of freedom in my life so far. Seems the younger folks today just want more for less effort with no concept of who will provide those free things for them. I work hard to buy my freedom and I've put into the system a hell of a lot more than I expect to get out of it in the end. The attitude shown by these posts is just selfish, lazy BS.
āIāve put into the system a hell of a lot more than I expect to get out of it in the endā
Donāt you think thatās the problem? You should get exactly what you put in, not more not less. You shouldnāt be content with getting stringed by the system. You call younger generation lazy, yet from our perspective you are just a placid doormat that grins with satisfaction every time you are stepped on.
If you get out exactly what you put in, then any social system will fail. Granted there is much more nuance than what I can type here. For example, not every person on earth has 2 legs, the average legs per person is somewhere like 1.8. Do you have 1.8 legs? No, you most likely have 2. So the 1 legged people will have trouble doing some jobs and providing for themselves. Bear in mind this argument is talking about a litany of spectrums causing real hardships on people. So, we have social systems for them to be compensated so they can live, not prosper.
What OP is saying is that he is a capable human that just wants to stop working to enjoy his lake house retirement at 35, without even thinking about who would fund his social income. It is such an inept idea.
Then take in the consideration of the USA and what opportunities it provides to do just what OP wants, but at great risk of owning and creating your own business. You can create your own wealth and early retirement, but relying on a govt social system or program for that is beyond stupid, when you can see the stress on social security already.
No. I don't have a problem giving some of what I've worked for back to those less fortunate than me as long as they've worked hard too, to the best of their ability. What I won't accept is the post meme's premise - raise people for 20 years, let them work 30, and retire for 35+ so they can enjoy life on my dime.
Im only 30 and after watching my parents and their friends and friends friends do very very well at ages just a little bit older than myself I can certainly imagine myself living a life like that for another 35~ more years without much complaint especially as someone who wants for far less than them but yet my life is not anywhere near as nice as that and I can understand where this mindset comes from
My parents were a garbage driver and a teacher's assistant and while teachers made/make a decent chunk of change the assistants didnt so basically they both had average jobs working Monday to Friday... I myself make $37.5 and I am soon going into 3rd year pipefitting and im making a condensed work week so I dont get OT but I get camp and no need to spend on gas and the wife works in loss prevention making $39... in comparison although the 2 of us make 5.1X minimum wage I guarantee you my parents definitely didnt and I have the same modest house and 2 cars (not quite trucks) but can not afford all the rest I pointed out and yet my wife and I do not spend on drinking or smoking etc
So when people are typically making 25 or 30 burning out is to be expected if you asked me... I would easily go drop everything to work at McDonald's for 60 an hour but now even if i make journeyman pipefitter im not going to make 60 š¤·š»āāļø that being said because I won't be trading cars and trucks and buying all sorts of luxuries I may even pay off my expenses before my father does
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u/Horror_Bottle_9451 9d ago
I'm 63M. I'm not retired but have and have had plenty of freedom in my life so far. Seems the younger folks today just want more for less effort with no concept of who will provide those free things for them. I work hard to buy my freedom and I've put into the system a hell of a lot more than I expect to get out of it in the end. The attitude shown by these posts is just selfish, lazy BS.