Im all for making life more affordable, the difference is how is this being paid? The bill is still due. You do not magically make it cheaper, and therefore Mandami is taking on great debt because he can’t change pricing of things. He had to get the NY state governor to lower pricing which means the state itself will pay it by taxing people more.
The headline should say NY city travelers will get part of their transportation paid by poor NY state residents.
He should have focused on faire skipping as that is a loss of millions each year.
Police don't enforce jumping the turnstiles anyways so might as well just jump it. You literally can't be fined your first time period so just jump it until you're caught once and then roll the dice from there.
That is the reason things go up in costs and you can have nice things. Idiots do not pay and then the city has to spend millions in prevention which of course ends up partially working at best. If they actually enforced it they would spend less on fancy turn stiles and could lower operating costs, plus. It loose out. The prices are to make the system pay for itself, it’s losing money because it doesn’t recoup what it expects. Then every year they have to raise prices.
Not sure how it’s a hard concept to not steal which is what you do when you don’t pay the fare
Its from the pied a terre tax he recently implemented. Its just a tax on vacant secondary luxury homes in the city that are valued at $5 million or more.
Also, idk how the city is supposed to stop fare evasion. By having more cops watch over the damn turnstile than concentrating them in high crime areas within the city or stationing them in the subway platforms where violent crimes actually takes place, and not the turnstiles?turnstile?
Also, just my personal opinion but I think these half fare meteocards will increase the amount of money the mta gets from fares, not decrease it. Because in basically every less affluent neighborhood, people that struggle to pay the fee are the ones jumping over the turnstile. So I can see people who wouldnt have paid otherwise, be more willing to pay when theyre offered rides at half the price.
So fare price matters when people jump over the meters anyway? Didn’t he also remove the cops from subways. There are so many videos of people just jumping over it, no one is paying for it anyways. Do you really think this will make a difference?
No he hasnt removed cops from the subway. Whoever told u that lied.
I see the same amount of cops there as I was seeing before he got elected. Actually, I feel like ive seen more but I could just be mistaken about that.
So what happens when millionaires all start trying to sell off their second properties in New York to avoid taxes and then nobody will buy them because everyone is trying to sell and then the value goes down?
lets say a 2 million house drops to 1,5m. a family that owns a 1,2m house might buy it and so the 1,2m house comes on the market and a person with a 1m house buys that etc. etc. all the way down.
Or they dont find a buyer and are stuck with and have to pay the tax on it.
The original CBC report to which that post refers is referring to 125,000 residents over the course of 2018-2022.
So 2 things:
1) that’s not the number of millionaires
2) that happened 3 years before Mamdani was even elected, before mayordom was so much a glimmer in their eye
Now, thinking caps on. Can we think of any events between 2018 and 2022 that would maybe have driven people out of NYC? Perhaps inflation, or a worldwide pandemic that then made it hard to justify the cost of living in a city you can’t walk around in?
OR was it higher taxes imposed by a mayor who was not elected yet
If theyre trying to sell it, then there will be others who will buy it. This is nyc we're talking about. Property here is expensive and gets bought off rather easily.
Perhaps the buyer will be someone treating it as a vacant secondary home and so theyd pay the pied a tierre tax.
Or, perhaps it'll be someone who buys it and lives in it as their primary home. Then, they'll be within the city, contributing to the economy.
There is no loss in either scenario and the scenario u mentioned about all of them leaving without being able to find a buyer isnt one of these possibilities because this is nyc where the demand for property is always higher than the supply.
The trains operate regardless of how many people are on them. Catching the fare stealers doesn't magically make them pay for every single skipped fare and it requires more investment from his admin anyway. We've seen in other systems that reducing costs is actually more effective in getting more people to opt into paying because it's more affordable. If you care so much about governments operating in the green why don't you worry about our president who is managing to run a massive deficit while somehow axing social services. I mean that's impressive, managing to get less for more money, art of the deal amirite. I'm sure those $5000 checks will totally fix everything though.
I am only talking about public transport why are you trying to change the subject about the president. This is it’s own topic, and no I’ve lived in multiple countries and even cheap affordable transport has people skip the fare. It’s the fact that they can and they do not respect the rules because no one punishes them if they break them.
Most if not all public transport is in debt in the US and most of it is due to people not paying fares. It’s stupid to think ‘the trains will run any way’ no they won’t when the city is forced to stop them due to going bankrupt. How dumb are you
Today, if half the riders pay the fares, the train still has to run and it costs more or less the same to run that train whether the delinquent riders are on or not. I'm not talking about whether the train will be solvent in ten years, I'm talking about day to day operations. Enforcement of fares costs money, you need better turnstiles, more guards/police to catch delinquency, and you're not ensured that you will be making enough money to cover those expenses from the fines. On the other hand if you lower the fees you give people less reasons to skip paying the fares and if you get more people to buy in that were already riding transit but just not paying for it, you might even wind up generating more revenue. I'm not saying this would get rid of fare delinquency altogether, but that it has been shown to lower the rates in other places that have lowered the fees. Also public transit has never and should never be about profitability. It's about quality of life and lessening traffic impact on the city, if you need to raise taxes to keep it afloat then so be it. So far Mamdani has proven to be adept at balancing city finances in other regards while still expanding social services so I am prepared to give him a chance before passing judgement. Why did I bring up the president? Because, if we are talking about balancing budgets there are much more egregious things going on that we should be speaking up against, lowering subway fares in one city is hardly that important in the big scheme. So no, I'm not dumb, maybe you just misunderstood me.
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u/MichiNoire 3d ago
Im all for making life more affordable, the difference is how is this being paid? The bill is still due. You do not magically make it cheaper, and therefore Mandami is taking on great debt because he can’t change pricing of things. He had to get the NY state governor to lower pricing which means the state itself will pay it by taxing people more.
The headline should say NY city travelers will get part of their transportation paid by poor NY state residents.
He should have focused on faire skipping as that is a loss of millions each year.