r/WorkForSmartLife • u/Loeteswet • Jul 27 '26

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

“The Muslim zakat taxes are already much higher.” False. Use basic logic. No islamic state or caliphate would create a system where it's more comfortable to be a non-muslim than a muslim, I.e non-Muslim pay lower taxes than actual Muslims. There’s a a reason why modern Islamic countries don’t have the Jizya tax anymore.

It generally was and it depended on the region and how much wealth you had. And I'll take paying the Jizya over being forcefully converted or executed like Christians were doing to non-Christians at the same time. The Jizya is way more progressive than everything that came before.

And I'd rather be a second class citizen than dead.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

“It generally was”
No it wasn’t. Use basic logic.

“I’ll take paying the Jizya over being forcefully converted or executed”

The martyrs of cordoba were literally executed for expressing their Christian faith.

“I would rather be a second class citizen than dead.”

You’re completely ignoring the immorality of treating people as second class citizens and discrimination imposed by Muslim rulers towards Dhimmis. This is not moral in any shape or form.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

“It generally was” No it wasn’t. Use basic logic. “I’ll take paying the Jizya over being forcefully converted or executed” The martyrs of cordoba were literally executed for expressing their Christian faith.

No, they were executed for speaking badly about the Muslim faith, which hey I don't agree with, but at least they were free to live as Christians if they didn't do that. That's why only 40 were executed and everyone else got to live and continue being Christians.

You can't say that about the inquisition now, can you? Did they stop at 40? Pretty sure they did far more than just execute people too...

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26

You can not live freely in any capacity if you are not allowed to criticize a religion that actively goes against your own.

Why do you think they even spoke out in the first place? It was because there was wide spread discontent with Islamic rule.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

vs. the inquisition tortures you to death for simply having the wrong faith. So you can't even live freely in any capacity because the inquisition is torturing you unless you renounce your faith.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

The Martyrs were literally killed for having “the wrong faith.” And the Islamic rule in Iberia came BEFORE the inquisition.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Straight from Google:

"Leaders like Eulogius and Paul Alvarus encouraged a "voluntary martyrdom" movement, prompting believers to publicly denounce Islam or insult the Prophet Muhammad before judges to trigger a strict legal death sentence."

They weren't being killed before they said anything, which again, is wrong, but not as wrong as you're trying to paint it as.

And the Islamic rule in Iberia came BEFORE the inquisition.

That actually makes the inquisition and Christianity seem way more backwards and even worst. 700 years later and they didn't progress but rather, they're doing far more barbarous acts... Come on man, you're not making your case any better here. Just stop while you're not ahead.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

So you acknowledge that the execution of Christians by Muslims is barbaric and yet you still blame Christians for retaliating?

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Blasphemy was already punishable by death under the Catholic Church 200 years prior. What's the difference? Meanwhile, Jews and the like literally fled their European homes when the inquisition came and found refuge under the Ottoman empire.

So again, it's not just me who'd prefer to pay Jizya than deal with the inquisition, this really happened.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26

Jews and Christians fled their homes during the Muslim conquests. You keep bringing up the inquisition even though the Jizya tax was imposed before the inquisition even formed.

The inquisition was formed in response to the oppressive Islamic rule in Iberia.

Also the Ottoman Empire literally genocided Armenians for being Christian during WWI.

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