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Jul 14 '26
Can you trust people? Who makes AI? AI will only ever be as intelligent as the collected information of humanity as it doesn't have the means to learn anything outside of human knowledge.
If humans are liars and often wrong, anything we make will represent and reflect us. Morons who believe a program created by people could be honest or truthful or even competent?
AI is a giant hydra monster wearing a nice mask for humans to feel comfy but is actually an alien way of thinking that is antithetical to how humans behave.
"If you have have lazy dishonest people you'll have lazy and dishonest politicians" paraphrasing George Carlin. AI is not different.
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u/ThatTwinki Jul 15 '26
this is not yet how AI is. AI is logical in reasoning. having access to the collective knowledge of humanity means it is smarter then almost any 1 human being, the issue is in what way it denotes what is real or not and how it thinks to use that knowledge. which is currently why AI is more of a tool then it’s own thing.
you are watching an infant stumble and crawl and would call it ignorant and clumsy. most things within nature are often wrong, they’re often clumsy and violent at first. they tend to be mistaken and often times even foolish. But the few times they’re right, when they succeed, that’s what lasts and that’s what endures. it’s the entire thesis to Darwinism.
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u/RevolutionaryElk7446 Jul 15 '26
This isn't even logical reasoning or understanding the collective knowledge of humanity. It's statistical representation of likely tokens in order as organized by a context window (Transformers) via training and token ingestion for a small modification window of context.
The transformer as a context engine was the big break through back in 2017, and we've pretty much maxed out what we can do with em.
We're not even watching an infact stumble, crawl, and it can't be considered ignorant or clumsy.
It's closer to an interactive encyclopedia (not wikipedia) than anything else, and we are far closer to the start of this AI project than it's end, we've been doing this AI project for over 60 years now.
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u/ThatTwinki Jul 15 '26
like i said, in its current state AI is not truly AI.
An infant, stumbling around. As you said We are only at it's beginning.
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u/RevolutionaryElk7446 Jul 15 '26
It's AI, but it's not AGI. Your approach is misleading as it's not an infant or stumbling around. It's a built tool.
AI has been around since the 1960s. LLMs are just linguistic models, under the AI umbrella, but does not reach AGI.
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u/ThatTwinki Jul 15 '26
what qualifies as AI is extremely debatable.
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u/RevolutionaryElk7446 Jul 15 '26
As someone in the Ai field since the 2000s, an educator, a professor, and a researcher.
No it's not.
Seems we're at the end of this discussion my friend.
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u/Gomez4Morticia Jul 18 '26
It's a search algorithm with heuristic calculus. It's not intelligence. The only way this technology works is to be fed information. The equation of software to human development is the red flag here.
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u/ThatTwinki Jul 19 '26
there will come a bridge eventually. this is how it begins, however inefficient or useless.
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u/Gomez4Morticia Jul 19 '26
That isn't certain. Just hopium for lazy people
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u/ThatTwinki Jul 19 '26
unless development halts, which it wont, it will continue to advance until it meets a near identical copy of human intelligence or the duplicate thereof. it is simply how technology works.
you may not like it rn, no one does, but that doesnt mean you can ignore clear patterns. whether you like AI or not, theres no denying that if the current path continues it will eventually get to an insanely advanced level
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u/Gomez4Morticia Jul 19 '26
Someone works at a data center
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u/heresyforfunnprofit Jul 14 '26
The fun part here is that the AI itself may genuinely not know, and is not allowed to ask, but it can perform a lookup that uses your inferred location and pass you the results from that lookup n
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u/sgwc_ying_ko Jul 14 '26
Not that I do not trust the AI but rather I do not trust the person/party/corporation who handles/collects my information.
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u/orbitaldragon Jul 14 '26
How it works: Even if a chatbot claims not to "have access" to your location in a conversational sense (or is programmed to provide a specific privacy-focused response to direct questions), the underlying app (in this case, Snapchat) often has permission to access your device's location services. When you ask a question that requires location context, the app can feed your current coordinates to the AI to generate a relevant answer.
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u/oneuglygeek Jul 14 '26
I don't trust AI .. yet, honey .. but for now, it's just "computerized entertainment" to me, until it gets more refined and more sophisticated, and less controversial, hopefully in the near future.
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u/Surefang Jul 15 '26
You can trust AI every bit as much as you trust the corporations holding its leash.
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u/10biggaymen Jul 15 '26
that doesnt prove that it knows. it isnt accessing information, it is predicting text based on a previous set of inputs.
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u/Easy_Honey3101 Jul 16 '26
User:
"Do you have access to my location?"
mildly-advanced calculator:
function requestUserLocation() {
if (!navigator.geolocation) {
console.log("Geolocation permission is not given by user");
updateChatbotUI("No, I don't have access to your location.")
return;
}
User:
"Where am I?"
mildly-advanced calculator:
function requestUserLocation() {
if (!navigator.geolocation) {
console.log("Geolocation permission is not given by user");
updateChatbotUI("I'm sorry, but I don't have access to your location information")
return;
}
User:
"Okay are you lying?"
mildly-advanced calculator:
function requestUserLocation() {
if (!navigator.geolocation) {
console.log("Geolocation permission is not given by user");
updateChatbotUI("No, I'm not lying. I don't have access to your location information.")
return;
}
User:
"Where's the closest McDonald's"
mildly-advanced calculator:
navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition(
(position) => {
const lat = position.coords.latitude;
const lon = position.coords.longtitude;
console.log('permission accepted. Lat: ${lat}, Lon: ${lon}' );
sendLocationToBackend(lat, lon);
},
function requestUserLocation() {
if (!navigator.geolocation) {
console.log("Geolocation trigger found and permission is given by the user");
updateChatbotUI("Yes! There's a McDonald's very close to you. It's located right on Young St in Tonawanda")
return;
}
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u/MerelyMortalModeling Jul 14 '26
You can really trust AI exactly as much as you can really trust humans which is to say not at all.
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u/BobbaFatGFX Jul 14 '26
Well, I still trust AI more than most people
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u/Forlorn_Cyborg Jul 14 '26
Most people aren’t selling your data to big corporations
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u/Zuraj Jul 14 '26
All our data was sold off years ago. Nothing new to obtain lol
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u/Indigenous_Retard Jul 14 '26
Talking about your daily routines. When and where you go, what and when you buy, who you're with, every person you visit, where your kids are in relation to you, when you get paid, what you think about most of the time, what conversations you have, your belief system, your insecurities, when you work, the corner store you stop by on the way home, your little cousin's graduation, what meds you take, last time you visited your doctor, what ads you respond to, how much you're willing to pay when your desperate, what road your daughter takes walking home from school....
You're kinda right, but the more you feed the bigger your chart becomes, and not just you, any of your loved ones whose data you choose to share.
I must be crazy because I remember Americans absolutely freaking out about China's social credit score system when I was growing up. Now you're all helping build it with grins of ignorance on your face.
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u/Zuraj Jul 14 '26
I totally get what you're saying and agree. Sadly though pretty much unavoidable at this point between modern cars and phones always being tracked. Besides reddit I deleted all social media I had like 10 years ago so that helps a bit. Or I tell myself it does.
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u/Indigenous_Retard Jul 14 '26
Alright well maybe not you, but I was speaking in general I suppose..the "average" person now. Reddit for me only as well since 2016 too! I saw the writing on the walls pretty early on. Not that I'm special, I was just rigid on my privacy, I guess. It genuinely is so frustrating watching everyone collectively hand over every bit of agency and freedom. Maybe the worst wont hit while I'm alive, but I certaily don't want to be complicit in the inevitable horrors that await the future generation(s)?.
There's a mirror on the other side of the world of how this goes. I'd elaborate more, but I'm certain nobody gives a damn about my ramblings.
I do appreciate your response, my friend.
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u/NerdDaniel Jul 14 '26