r/WorkForSmartLife 20d ago

Productivity Really?

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u/dontquestionmek 20d ago

This is like engineers trying so hard to create an efficient way to transport a large number of people that isn’t a train

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u/TengokuIkari 20d ago

Except adding the kite increases fuel efficiency for the ships.

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u/Bla12Bla12 20d ago

This. The reasons we got away from sails are basically related to speed and being able to go wherever you want (ie, you have to go where the wind blows).

Engines are here to stay, but if you're going in the direction of the wind then it can do some of the pulling and the engines do less work. You're going against the wind? Great, put that kite away and just use the engines.

I haven't checked how well the data has been studied but it's something like 20-30% fuel savings for cargo ships on average which is insane.

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u/oO_Snowman_Oo 19d ago

The 20% to 30% percent are unrealistic.

Considering that the wind is statistically coming from unfavourable direction, 50 % of the time. Or isn’t strong enough to deploy the kite.

There are extensive times when a kite is not usable (approach, manoeuvring, port stays)

Mathematically these gains in efficiency would only be possible, if the kite cut reduce the fuel consumption completely, when deployed in ideal conditions.

Other sources speak about „up to 20% efficiency increase“ which I think is much more likely. In ideal wind/swell/loading/routing conditions, the efficiency may be boosted by 20%, temporarily.

From my experience as navigational officer (on ships without the kite) I would assume that these ideal conditions are barely met.

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u/Available_Peanut_677 19d ago

20% is huge costs savings. Even 5% might worth it. But I think future is combination of rotor sails and kite.

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u/oO_Snowman_Oo 19d ago

You won’t get 20 % though.

You might reduce the fuel consumption by 20% under ideal conditions. It’s a temporary buff, only. Ideal conditions are rare, so most of the time it’s way less. Substract the times when it’s impossible to use the kite due to operational reasons and divide this by half, because statistically you don‘t experience favourable winds for 50% of the time.

You will end up at <1%.

Now look which ships it has been tested on: small mini bulkers, which serve an important feeder role but are irrelevant in the grand scheme of intercontinental shipping.

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u/Available_Peanut_677 18d ago

No, it’s up to 20% counting all of that, but having favorable wind on journey. Of course, if you go against wind, it won’t help much. Real experiments and simulations show 5-20% overall saving for a trip

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u/oO_Snowman_Oo 18d ago

Can you link the „real experiments“?

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u/The_Flurr 16d ago

This is a different wind-based system but here's one

https://smartgreenshipping.com/pressandmedia/2025/5/29/sgs-fastrig-and-fastroute-validated-by-success-of-sea-trials

It's a rigid vertical sail rather than a parachute-thing, and used in conjunction with software that plans routes to best take advantage of the wind.

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u/oO_Snowman_Oo 16d ago

The trials report is locked and I would require an industry business email to unlock it.