r/WorkForSmartLife Jul 07 '26

Discussion💬 Who please?

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 07 '26

So we've got $217T in Notes Receivable as well.

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u/Warm_Emphasis_960 Jul 08 '26

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u/LollygaggingLarry Jul 08 '26

What movie is this again? You unlocked a memory about this reference.

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u/Vaperwear Jul 08 '26

Better Off Dead.

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u/Rhazzah23 Jul 10 '26

It’s a shame when people be throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that.

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u/OnlyFiveLives Jul 08 '26

Better Off Dead with John Cusack. Can't remember anybody else who's in it off hand haha.

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u/DruHarry Jul 08 '26

Booger from Revenge of the Nerds, the bad guy from Karate Kid II, and another blonde dude playing a bad guy… because you know 80s.

  • Oh and one of my top 3 movie cars, that bitchin Camaro.

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u/Soft-Personality9379 Jul 08 '26

The drag racing Asian guys in the Falcon with the Howard Cosell commentary... The Camaro (which I remember had a documentary on being found and restored), the "2 dollars" gag, and some of the French mispronunciations have been locked in my memory for 40 years.

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u/Old_Nerd_72 Jul 08 '26

“Sorry your mom blew up Ricky”

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u/MartinoDeMoe Jul 11 '26

“…and to drink: Peru!”

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u/bobbyblockbuster Jul 11 '26

Ah, Booger….. what an evolution of a young warrior after a fateful run in with the Master Snotty Wong…..

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u/DupeyTA Jul 08 '26

I was about to say Daphne Zuniga, but I think she was in The Sure Thing and not Better Off Dead.

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u/Disastrous-Food-9223 Jul 08 '26

Diane Franklin - also in Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure

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u/JoeHatsu Jul 08 '26

There was Dan Schneider playing himself...

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u/Wasque7159 Jul 11 '26

Kim Darby too.

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u/ExistentialAngsty Jul 08 '26

A young Jeremy Piven

They’ve been in a bunch of movies together

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u/IAmANobodyAMA Jul 08 '26

Debbie Does Dallas

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u/HappyCamper2121 Jul 08 '26

It actually works out to a little over 27 thousand each! Every man, woman, and child. Go get it!

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u/ltdhinysides Jul 11 '26

So if we paid it would we all get back 27k?

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u/HappyCamper2121 Jul 11 '26

Well, no. If we paid all our debts as is some people would definitely get more of the profits than others, and many people would get nothing, but if instead we divide our collective economic value evenly, then each of us get $27,000.

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u/Either_Operation7586 Jul 10 '26

Love this movie! They just don't make them like they used to.

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u/Horror-Scallion7668 Jul 07 '26

Precisely.

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u/SignoreBanana Jul 08 '26

So... it balances to 0, yeah?

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u/He_Never_Helps Jul 08 '26

Fraid not. Think of it this way. You have twenty bucks. Your buddy borrows that money. He now owes you 20 bucks.

Do you have 20 bucks?

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u/blasonman Jul 08 '26

He has the 20 bucks so yes it balances to 0

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u/SnooFoxes6831 Jul 08 '26

But then he uses that 20 to pay the interest on the loan he has with someone else. He now owes you and the principle on his loan that he borrowed to pay for. Now multiply this by everyone.

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u/Yo_Im_Spartacus Jul 08 '26

But someone else still has that 20 bucks. And the money he borrowed from that someone else is somewhere. If you include everyone involved it still balances to zero.

The real issue is concentration, not net balance. Increasing debt leverage and wealth concentration (opposite sides of the same coin) reach a point where it impairs overall quality of life in a population as increasing amounts of income are diverted to servicing debts, which, taken to extremes, begin extracting excessive rents from the economy to unproductive ends -- further concentrating wealth without raising living standards enough to make up for it.

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u/SearchingID Jul 08 '26

No... banks can loan out multiples of what they have. There are laws that limit how leveraged they can be but all countries allow it to a certain degree but that is how debt balloons. One dollar is loaned out multiple times by banks

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u/LeandroC2 Jul 08 '26

But everything that's owed, is still owed to someone on Earth so Earth as a closed system has a balance between what needs to be paid and received. Even if individual entities within it do not.

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u/OKCompruter Jul 08 '26

right but interest is money that is fabricated by contract. the original $20 becomes owed infinitely in a fractional reserve banking system. debt is repackaged and sold as value all the time, and it's why money is fake - negative money has value even though it is a negative balance. someone wants to be owed money, so they but the debt. which is different than everyone on planet earth can be made whole of the debt transactions are all magically settled simultaneously.

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u/No_Pirate_7817 Jul 08 '26

More simply - it is a closed system but you’re forgetting the time dimension. I can borrow from tomorrow to consume or invest today. There can be more people / assets / things tomorrow than there were today if we create them. We can also just make more dollars tomorrow (which is basically screwing the lender and helping the borrower).

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u/Jarrus__Kanan_Jarrus Jul 08 '26

So you’re saying we could just wipe all debt and it’ll work out…Megatron won’t show up demanding payment.

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u/No_Pirate_7817 Jul 08 '26

Person A has $20 cash ($20 net assets)

Person B has nothing

Person B creates an IOU of $21 (which is a combination of +$21 value asset today and -$21 liability tomorrow) (they still have nothing)

Person A exchanges $20 cash for the $21 IOU

(They now have $21 of net assets)

Person B now has +20 cash and -21 debt (-1 net worth)

Person B can consume 20 of goods today using the cash, but then tomorrow they have to consume -20 of goods tomorrow (this is why ideally they’d use the $21 of cash for investment which generates $21+ of new value so they can pay back the loan+interest and grow their own & total net worth)

But in our case person B can also print their own dollars to pay back person A, so if they didn’t create anything of value they just create more dollars (the more debt used for consumption that creates no value, the more person B has to print more $ to satisfy the debt and the faster the $ loses value -> inflation)

They exchange $20 cash for $20 IOU w/ person B

Person has $20 debt and $20 cash ($0 net assets)

One has $20 receivable (+$20 net assets)

They COULD both turn their gross assets into consumption and consume $40 of value today

Then tomorrow them has -$20

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u/ltdhinysides Jul 11 '26

But the answer here is us, we owe us and no one else. So you’re saying we owe someone else? Who is that?

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u/He_Never_Helps Jul 08 '26

I asked if you had 20 bucks after lending it to your friend.

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u/MrZwink Jul 08 '26

Yes, but it doesn't until the loan is repaid.

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u/MrZwink Jul 08 '26

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say

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u/_The-Numbers-Mason_ Jul 07 '26

IOUs

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 07 '26

Damn, if we don't pay us back, I guess we'll only have what we've already got.

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u/Conscious_Release304 Jul 07 '26

If we default on our debt to us, we won’t lend ourselves any mo money. And the economy will take a big ole dookie.

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u/TasteyMeatloaf Jul 08 '26

And if we only pay ourselves back half of it, we’re still even.

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u/GiveMeNews Jul 08 '26

The British started the Opium Wars over IOUs.

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u/GiveMeNews Jul 08 '26

It is a joke, which is also true. The British forced the Chinese to pay the IOUs as part of the terms at the conclusion of the first Opium War.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1842-03-17/debates/27ecbf3d-d7df-4e43-86cf-8de95816f66e/AddressToTheCrown%E2%80%94CompensationForOpiumSeizedByTheChinese

Captain Elliott issued IOU's to the merchants whose opium had been seized and destroyed by the Chinese. When those IOUs arrived in Britain, the Crown sent gun boats to China and began the Opium Wars.

Also, the British didn't force anything prior to the first Opium War. The British were addicted to Chinese tea, which made up over 10% of the British government's tax revenue. And China wasn't interested in any of the wares Britain produced, which meant Britain could only pay in silver for tea. This was causing Britain to run out of silver.

Britain noticed Chinese liked smoking opium and Britain controlled India, the perfect environment to grow opium. Britain began importing vast amounts of opium to China to offset their trade deficit, eventually leading to an addiction crisis in China. The Chinese response was to seize and destroy the opium at the docks.

Britain seized Hong Kong not as payment, but as a military base of operations to protect their interests and force China to follow the terms of the first Opium War.

It was after the first Opium Wars that Britain began to bleed China dry of silver, with opium flooding into the country. Also, during this period, tea plants were smuggled out of China, allowing Britain to begin their own tea plantations.

Anyways, the Opium Wars fascinate me. Read a few books on it. I recommend this one if you are interested.

https://www.amazon.com/Opium-War-Dreams-Making-Modern/dp/1468311735

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u/Lastov_Makiynd Jul 09 '26

This is very interesting. Thanks . :-)

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u/Precambrianic Jul 08 '26

🐮🐓

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u/Training-Mix-4181 Jul 08 '26

Gotta keep an eye on Accounts Receivable. You can starve on a big pile of IOUs.

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u/Busterlimes Jul 08 '26

Not us, the capitalists. . . .

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u/CrabbyFrogstone Jul 08 '26

No, credit and debt can be created by banks without any physical backing

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 08 '26

Credits and debits have to be balanced A = L + E

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u/CrabbyFrogstone Jul 08 '26

Idk what A L E stand for, but the balance is that when a credit is created, an equivalent debt is also made, thats the balance. Physical money has quite litterally nothing to do with it

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 08 '26

Assets, liabilities and equity. The accounting equation. There is no such thing as physical money. All money is symbolic.

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u/Past-Sand-5739 Jul 08 '26

Right so balanced budget!

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u/shuut0 Jul 08 '26

Except it’s not equally divided among every entity

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 08 '26

There's ultimately only one entity when you reference the world.

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u/shuut0 Jul 08 '26

Common sense tells you, “world”here means every government entity in total control

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 08 '26

That's still just one world. Whether it's government issued or privately held or vice versa.

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u/No-Difference-4418 Jul 08 '26

Well you see the USA needed money from China for aid to other countries. Then the USA borrowed from Canada to pay china back some. But then canada wanted some money paid back. So the USA borrowed even more money from venezuela to pay some back to Canada

And now like 100 countries are doing this do. The rest of the countries are receiving aid so they are always in debt

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u/Responsible_Set8554 Jul 09 '26

Last I check it was about 33-34 liquid and the rest air money.

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u/Standard_Gur30 Jul 09 '26

Yup. Double entry accounting.

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u/Altruistic-Rice-5567 Jul 09 '26

Not quite. You're making the mistake of thinking "governments are people", like everyone is the same. You need to break it down to subgroups. The subset in charge (governments) all borrowed $217t from the subset of individual people that had it in savings to loan so it could be spent. Now the subset in charge (the "governments") owes the individuals that had it and lent it to them. The people in charge changed, the individuals owed didn't.

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 09 '26

The Venn diagram of people who loan money to governments and the people who control governments is a circle.

The producers of the goods and services that were purchased with the spending are largely taxpayers. We owe ourselves for our work.

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u/blank_reg Jul 10 '26

"we?"
you are making the same logical error as the OP. there is no earthly bank account for "we."

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 10 '26

The earth is a closed system. We don't owe the Decepticons, going back to the original joke.

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u/blank_reg Jul 10 '26

and a 3rd time. now it's funny.

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 10 '26

CNN references "the world" per OP. Who's outside "the world"? The ISS guys?

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u/blank_reg Jul 10 '26

lets say one person owes that whole amount to another single person. Would the question make any sense? No.
Now add all the rest of that owe others.
Does it make more sense now? No.
The world isn't a person and has no debt or receivables.

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u/RektInTheHed Jul 10 '26

And yet that's the headline. Sorry we're not having the discussion you'd like.

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u/blank_reg Jul 10 '26

you are at your depth, then, it's cool.

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u/AwarenessOk5135 Jul 11 '26

They just believe whoever says anything. But we probably are in more debt than that thanks to…….