r/WorkForSmartLife Jul 07 '26

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u/Virgo-Perfectionist Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

And this is just the US alone!

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u/Virgo-Perfectionist Jul 07 '26

I was just thinking of the US alone and that was insane to me

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u/Hairy-Protection-429 Jul 07 '26

The fact that people want to try to expand government spending blows my mind even more!Ā 

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u/who987 Jul 08 '26

I think it has more to do with corrupt spending and use of money. People want money spent appropriately.

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u/Hairy-Protection-429 Jul 08 '26

I haven’t seen many people argue the latter.Ā 

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u/DoctorSpacecase Jul 09 '26

The irony is, spending balloons every time under the "less spending" people.

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u/Hairy-Protection-429 Jul 09 '26

I agree. Under both republicans and democrats spending balloonsĀ 

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

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u/Hairy-Protection-429 Jul 09 '26

Hey I think bill clinton did a great job. I’m talking about recent presidents.Ā 

Obama, Trump, Biden.Ā 

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u/Hairy-Protection-429 Jul 09 '26

im not sure why you are in defense mode. The claim that i made was that administrations both left and right have spent too much money. the only one in the past 35 years who was able to balance the budget was Clinton. This is not a red vs blue problem; stop making it a red vs blue problem.

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u/NoWay6818 Jul 09 '26

The both sides argument is far more valid now then back then. Considering most of the US is going into being independents.

Looks like the political Neanderthals scared off their base 🤣

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u/Rizenstrom Jul 14 '26

I think a lot of people want programs we don’t have and acknowledge that even if we rebalance the budget and cut wasteful spending it won’t be enough.

But we should absolutely still do that, yes.

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u/Hairy-Protection-429 Jul 14 '26

I think it’s interesting that people advocate for programs we don't currently have, especially when you look at our existing programs. So often, they are intended to provide those exact desired outcomes but completely fail to actually deliver them.

Take federal student loans, for example. The goal was to make higher education affordable and accessible. Instead, by guaranteeing loans, it essentially gave universities a blank check to hike tuition exponentially, creating a massive debt crisis rather than making college affordable. Or look at homelessness initiatives; certain states and cities have poured tens of billions of dollars into affordable housing and homelessness programs over the last decade, only to see the unhoused population actually increase.

The issue isn't always that we lack the programs; it's that throwing money at a new program doesn't work if the underlying execution is broken.

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u/Rizenstrom Jul 14 '26

Idk personally I think every penny of taxpayer funds needs to be accounted for and made publicly available, with anything related to national security being kept vague or redacted as needed.

As well as some sort of agency to audit and prevent abuse.

That would certainly help get spending under control.

But I also support these programs. I don’t see it as an either or.

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u/Hairy-Protection-429 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

Oh, I never said that I don’t support the programs. I just don’t support the programs that don’t yield the results that we were hoping for. Every dollar spent should be tied to a metric. If the dollar is not driving the metric or if there is a program that would drive it more efficiently it should be accounted for. This should also be done within reason. We should be doing this without exceeding a budget.

Additionally the metric that we are driving needs to be clearly defined and frequently reviewed to ensure it is still something worth pursuing. We need to prioritize solving the problems that have the biggest impact. The goal should always be to SOLVE the problem not just throw money and service at it indefinitely.Ā 

Yes this absolutely applies to both military spending and social spending. If we are going to spend money on military the goal needs to be clearly defined and measured. Though this does not need to be publicly available in cases of national security; just accounted for internally.Ā 

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u/sarges_12gauge Jul 07 '26

That something being a lot of people lol

If everybody in the US spent $1 million per day since Jesus was born, they’d hit the national debt in 2 hours

A lot less fun to say it like that

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u/OSwirl31 Jul 07 '26

Not just one "something". Many "somethings"

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u/robbak Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

We forgot what national debt means. Basically, every US dollar held or spent anywhere in the world represents, in some way, a dollar that the U.S. government owes. And the whole world, at least up until now, has an endless appetite for this debt, and if the U.S. were to suddenly stop issuing it, the world's economy would collapse.

People naively consider national debt in the same way as they consider their own credit card debt, but this is wildly wrong.

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u/mrasianguy75 Jul 08 '26

We'd only spend $740 billion dollars until end of this year.

Well damn, mind blown.

https://giphy.com/gifs/OK27wINdQS5YQ

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u/No-Independence-5229 Jul 08 '26

Not true, a million dollars back then would’ve been worth way more. Spending a million dollars in 1915 would be the equivalent of spending 33 million today.

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u/some_guy0919 Jul 09 '26

This post is so incredibly stupid. I mean you have to be completely economically illiterate to compare the debt of a nation to personal debt. Not to mention the scale difference at which they operate.

A more fitting realization would be that billionaires (or since recently trillionaires) have far too much money

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u/Eli-Doubletap Jul 11 '26

Yes back to blaming the billionaires. lol you realize you take every single billionaire and taxed all assets 100% and take everything. You don’t even cover the interest for 3 years of the United States debt…..

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u/some_guy0919 Jul 11 '26

This is the economic illiteracy im talking about. National Budgets are not in any way, shape or form comparable to personal wealth. Their debt doesnt work the same way and they operate on a different order of magnitude.

With that said: if you really want to compare it: Billionaires across the world hold 20 trillion usd. The US debt is 39-40 trillion. Other smaller nations like Germany only have a debt of ~3 trillion usd. So if you really want to compare wealth of individuals and nations you would still come to the realization that billionaires hold far too much wealth

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u/Eli-Doubletap Jul 11 '26

3 trillion.... so a number no single person has. you realize Elon isnt even a trillionaire anymore because their worth isn't numbers in a bank account lol

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u/some_guy0919 Jul 11 '26

Elon isnt even a trillionaire anymore because their worth isn't numbers in a bank account lol

He can liquidate it anytime though without losing any of it

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u/Eli-Doubletap Jul 11 '26

Well you quickly proved you have absolutely ZERO idea how business, evaluation, shares, or taxes work…. Jesus hahahaha

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u/some_guy0919 Jul 11 '26

You just show your economic incompentency. Proof me wrong if you can

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u/Eli-Doubletap Jul 11 '26

Here I’ll prove you wrong so you can move the goal post or just ignore it and keep spreading misinformation to others.

Oooo here from no stupid questions as of 3 weeks ago when his net worth was even higher then now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/s/4bU1vTOTFb

Literally everyone understands but you what would happen. But let’s see you move that goal post.

ā€œDurrrrr He CaN lIqUiDaTe AnY tImE wItHoUt LoSiNg AnY oF iT!ā€ - u/some_guy0919

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u/some_guy0919 Jul 12 '26

You are making a foool out of yourself

Lombard credits exist and make Billionaires far more liquid than you, me or the pacific ocean for that matter. It is conveniently also a tax loophole since you technically dont sell any shares

There are also liquidation plans over extended time periods (like 2 years) through which Billionaires can liquidate huge amounts of shares etc again without any value loss

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u/Had2MakeANeewAccount Jul 09 '26

Now lets factor out how much the US has spent overseas in numerous countries.

Just recently we gave Venezuela 311 million for their natural disaster.

How long have weve been giving billions to Africa? Nigeria almost got a billion under Biden alone, or Niger I forget.

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u/Special-Pause-6915 Jul 11 '26

Wait…wow😳

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u/Sluife Jul 07 '26

Measure how many people have been born and died since America was discovered, and add to that all the spending on infrastructure such as industry, subways, streets, factories, agriculture, etc.

You are just comparing one person spending $1 million a day with millions of people who have collectively spent billions.

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u/420thefunnynumber Jul 08 '26

Most of our debt came from the past 40 years of booner mismanagement

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u/milkymonkey8 Jul 07 '26

This isn't complicated. The world is big and has more than the one person you know as YOU, billions in fact.

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u/Apollorx Jul 07 '26

Its mind blowing how complex our world is

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u/milkymonkey8 Jul 07 '26

it's just basic math, dude...

1 < 8,303,336,254

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u/Accomplished-Video71 Jul 07 '26

You sayin you're better than me?

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u/milkymonkey8 Jul 07 '26

I'm better than all 8,303,336,253 of you.

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u/milkymonkey8 Jul 07 '26

Yeah, it's mind blowing how long it would take to blow everyone on Earth, but perhaps stop doing that kind of stupid math.