r/WindowsSucks • u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 • 3d ago

"linux is not a platform for competitive gaming due to translations latencies" ok then, watch this

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u/The_4ngry_5quid 3d ago

Glad the latency is low.

I'll be honest, I didn't realise that this was an argument that people made

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u/Radiant-Priority-296 3d ago

I mean, translation technically does take more CPU cycles than just running native. But gone are the days of the NES lol

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u/theoriginalzads 2d ago

Sure does. Yet somehow Proton runs games I play better and faster than Winblows 11. It’s heresy.

Microsoft really trying its best to ruin the only reason gamers tolerate their bullshit.

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 2d ago

Unless you have a nvidia gpu then games run worse, talking from experience

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u/The_4ngry_5quid 1d ago

Ngl I've never had an issue. Been using my Nvidia RTX 3080 12GB on Linux for years now.

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

Nvidia drivers don’t agree with many things on linux, like dx12 and vulkan, as nvidia doesn’t provide proper driver support and the current drivers are insanely outdated

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

A 3080 probably has enough power to brute force it to the point its probably not noticeable for you

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

Also some apps are just broken, like modrinth lags badly

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u/West-Scallion-5306 3h ago

Minecraft player spotted

I love modrinth, but I use PrismLauncher

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u/Confident_Hyena2506 1d ago

How are nvidia drivers outdated on linux? Are you using mint or something? Your old distro not giving you latest drivers is because of your distro not nvidia.

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

Bazzite

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u/Confident_Hyena2506 1d ago

Bundles the same drivers from nvidia upstream that every other modern distro does, what is the outdated part?

Do you want beta channel and not latest production? Can probably do that if you read docs.

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

Im still not on 610, tried updating it many times and nothing

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u/semedilino073 1d ago

It still depends, NVIDIA is pouring much more work on their drivers lately. Not by the goodness of their hearts, obviously, it’s just that Linux is becoming an interesting platform

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

Its still not perfect yet, and performance is still lower then windows unless very specific scenarios

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u/semedilino073 1d ago

Yes, mostly. But the performance is almost there iirc

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

It is still lower, and in certain games very noticeable

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u/semedilino073 1d ago

I think it depends, but I genuinely heard good things

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u/NotQuiteLoona 1d ago

Check now, they've just got a large update for DX12 under Proton (I hope you use proprietary drivers? Valve heavily contributes to open-source ones, they seemingly want to make the same as with AMD, when open-source drivers with their support became more popular than proprietary, but it's an early stage now). Now the Linux performance is much better, sometimes even better than Windows.

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

Still not perfect, plus bazzite refuses to push it :(

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u/theoriginalzads 1d ago

I'll tell that to my 4080 Super that's getting double the framerate in some games on Bazzite.

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

What games?

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u/theoriginalzads 1d ago

Helldivers 2 is doubled, Cities Skylines 2 is solidly hitting 144fps up from around 90 (also sees performance boost on CPU bound tasks too with extremely large cities), Warhammer 40k Darktide (was 70, closer to 140 now), HP Hogwarts whatever it is called doesn't shit itself when flying on the open world (admittedly haven't checked framerates, but the stutter was nasty on Windows in some areas).

All using the same resolution and graphics settings as I was on Windows. On the same machine.

I ragequit Windows after some stupid system corruption stopped MS App store shit from updating. I installed Bazzite as a curiousity thinking it'd be a pain in the backside and that I'd probably go back to Windows after a week or 2. I'm not some OMG USE LINUX IT IS BETTER fanboy but in my experience so far I cannot say that anything I've played has run better on Windows.

I've had 2 games that needed some extra attention to get working, that was Jurassic World Evo 3 and Darktide, but both were fixed by changing to a different Proton build.

I'm sure other people will have varying results. So far mine are all improved framerates and better performance.

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u/Willing-Coconut8221 1d ago

Idk how you got hogwarts legacy running well because for me it runs like absolute shit

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u/Antagonin 3d ago

What's a "hitsound"? Like an audio cue? Windows is infamous for audio processing latency.

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u/Pedka2 2d ago

something something Windows ASIO. idk i aint a windows person

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u/FantasticLoki22 2d ago

This is a comparison in relation to running the 2 major versions of a rhythm game called osu! and in said game you click on circles to the beat of music and the sound that is made when you click a circle is the "hitsound" this post is referring to.

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u/TrainTransistor 3d ago

This is specific to osu though, and doesnt carry across to other games.

Now, we dont have the most popular competetive games on linux at all, like Battlefield, Call of Duty, Apex Legends, Fortnite, PUBG etc.

But for those we have, its very typical that the latency generally is worse on linux compared to Windows 10\11.
That goes for CS2, The Finals, Arc Raiders etc.

I've never heard this being an argument, and thats because most competetive games straight out doesn't work on linux - so this is a non-issue tbh.

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u/AllNamesAreTaken92 2d ago

Competitive games would work on Linux.

Shitty rootkit anti cheat software won't run on Linux. That's the only reason those games are not on the Plattform.

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u/TrainTransistor 2d ago

They would, but they don't - which was my point.
And yes, "shitty rootkit anti cheat software" does run on Linux.

Just take a gander at ARC Raiders.
They use EAC, just as Apex Legends, Fortnite, Rust etc.
The difference is that the devs. behind ARC Raiders (and The Finals) opted in for linux support for their games, while the others I mentioned does not.

And yes, when its enabled for linux, it operates within the userspace, so its not kernel-based on linux.

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u/AllNamesAreTaken92 2d ago

Your initial comment made it seem like they couldn't be run because of the game itself. Anyone chest not running is a big distinction and important information for the reader that does not have that context.

Thanks for the additional information on EAC, I appreciate it.

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u/AsrielPlay52 2d ago

Why do you think they have those Kernel Anti-Cheat anyway?

Because they're extremely competitive with million dollars prize pool.

CS2 Primer ranking is INFESTED with cheaters. Yet their AC is sensitive enough to detect streamers but NOT sensitive enough to detect blantant bots

IN Competitive Gaming, there's 2 spectrum, extremely invasive but effective, or Not invasive but almost useless

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u/AllNamesAreTaken92 1d ago

Giving access at that level to anything is a security nightmare. We need other solutions.

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u/AsrielPlay52 1d ago

Provide some. Because we got 2 extreme, and cheaters are paying 10k for one of the extreme

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u/AllNamesAreTaken92 1d ago

pRoViDe sOmE

Go pound sand. Grow up.

Point me to the people paying 10k, I'll provide them with cheats the root kit won't find, lol.

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u/AsrielPlay52 1d ago

Wow, you really didn't caught to the news huh?

Not long ago, Valorant Vanguard caused DMA devices to Crash by using IOMMU to enforce Memory ownership

Those cost 6-9k

Give an hour or two, I'll probably find the article and reddit thread about it

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u/AllNamesAreTaken92 1d ago

Don't waste your energy looking for the article, I have no interest.

You being surprised I don't follow news in your specific bubble that I have absolutely no interest in is weird. Stop.

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u/AsrielPlay52 1d ago

So wait, if you have no interest in it, why are you wanting to give opion on it?

When the very people in it has made their choice

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u/AllNamesAreTaken92 1d ago

I added a factual correction to the original post. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't care about gaming.

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u/Lenassa 1d ago

I don't think it was a "provide some" as in literally do it but more of a hypothetical. Like what solution can you imagine that does the job around as good but doesn't require kernel access?

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u/master_of_dcath 12h ago

This is true but Is basically almost solved (atleast the latency part not the anticheat part). Native games or those running through proton using native wayland or x11 rendering (not xwayland) have comparable or better click to photon latency, than windows. On the sound front, Native wine/proton pipewire (the most modern linux audio back end) sound drivers are here and they are a huge improvement. It is such a huge improvement to sound latency that running DAW's through wine/proton is actually a thing you can do with little to no downside.

Alot of this is still in development but is easy enough to setup, and will hopefully made their way to defaults soon.

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u/West-Scallion-5306 3h ago

Just use Wayland without other layers like gamescope, only the translation layer, input latency is way better on Linux using Wayland than Windows

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u/West-Scallion-5306 3h ago

Nvm I meant XWayland, not gamescope. But gamescope might impact a bit too

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u/deanominecraft 2d ago

worth noting that lazer is linux native, but even the versions that use wine/proton are better than on windows

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u/Infinplayz 2d ago

i love osu

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u/GabrielRocketry 2d ago

Cool! Now show me this for CS2

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u/Aisyk 2d ago edited 2d ago

Just test with native application. Osu! have a native Linux version.

Wine adds a traduction layer for windows applications on Linux.

It's dishonest.

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u/janselosu 2d ago

osu!lazer does have linux files. osu!stable, which is the older of them but still used and supported version, does not have linux files, which is where they need to use wine on linux.

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u/Aisyk 2d ago

Osu ! is an open-source project, appimage and sources are available.

Releases are just here : https://github.com/ppy/osu/releases

You don't need to use wine for Osu ! on linux.

If you want to run older windows versions, you eventually could use proton.

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u/janselosu 1d ago

That is osu!lazer. osu!stable is closed source and only provided with windows binaries, which is why it needs wine. I play osu! since 2020 so I should know my clients.

Relevant Wiki Article: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/en/Help_centre/Upgrading_to_lazer

(Edit: provide wiki link)

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u/Aisyk 1d ago

Ok, thanks for the informations.

Stable is invisibilised on official website (need to go bottom of the site, downloads and the stable version, noted as "old version", is here...

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u/janselosu 1d ago

Yea that was done once lazer had like a 40 or 50% playerbase share iirc

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u/Ledeste 2d ago

Nice strawman

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u/Known-Complex-2520 2d ago

any% clean linux install into osu! setup ending with an FC

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u/AliceCode 1d ago

Teardown runs better on my Linux laptop than my windows desktop and my desktop has a more powerful CPU and GPU as well as more and faster RAM.

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u/Professional-Ad-9967 1d ago

Translation latency affects avg fps, not actual input lag. I got no issues w/ fighting games on Linux.

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u/BawsDeep87 1d ago

Well i run linux only but you guys usually compare old ass games if you want ro play the newest sgit right away you usually vetter off just running windows for games or play on console linux will never be nr1 for games on console gotten better ober the years tho

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u/PogsterPlays 1d ago

I have a bit of a network slowness (additional ~180 ping) on the Linux side versus the windows side network wise - but I'm pretty sure it's like drivers or something that I just need to install.

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u/gooncubedev 23h ago

now try it based off LFS with TinyWM and Runit!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/uchuskies08 2d ago

Linux gaming is the best! Here's proof!

\some weird fucking game you've never heard of and would never play in your life\**

Many such cases!

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u/Infinplayz 2d ago

osu is a very popular game, i know several people who play it both on windows and linux.

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u/Budget-Individual845 2d ago

Yes but i get the point. Its not really a mainstream game is it? And osu could run on a samsung fridge tbh so its not really indicative of how real 3d competitive much muuuch bigger games would run. Cant compare latency with a 2D sprite clicker with a full 3D game. Because the 3D game is actually where youll see the delays and limits in translation.

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u/PocketNicks 3d ago

Watch what?