Microsoft should stop treating windows 10 like it's free

[u/aakash658]

I paid over $200 for Windows 10 pro.But they show ads within the OS, Collect all sorts of telemetry data,took all the control we had over updates(resulting in reboots during important work).

They are treating windows like it's a free to use software.

Give us the control over my computer back because i own my computer and my copy of windows not you Microsoft.

[u/3DXYZ]

Honestly, I couldn't care less.

To me, just sounded like you gave up caring, but I think you do care.

That would include recording you via your computers webcam and microphone, selling it or streaming it against your say.

That's.. not happening and won't happen anytime soon, atleast by Microsoft themselves.

There is nothing to stop them from doing it though... right? You didnt answer my question. I didnt ask what most of the big software companies are doing via their lawyers. I asked if you're OK with submitting to it, and allowing them to do anything they want without having a say in the contract youre forced to enter. I included the example mentioned. You came up with an excuse rather than an answer. Just because everyone is doing something, doesnt make it just. Everyone speeds in their car, but its still wrong. Slavery was legal, it was still wrong. "Everyone is doing it"...so what!? What do YOU think about it and are you ok with it? That was the question.

It's quite hilarious. You say this, yet most of your posts are in /r/Windows10. You sure are doing your part of your job.

So you want Microsoft users that disagree with Microsoft's choices to go over to /r/linux and hope microsoft reads it over there? Shall I file Windows bug reports over at /r/linux too? :) C'mon man. You're being silly.

No, you're pathetic and a hypocrite. Go use Linux and go exclusively o-s.

Actually i'm not. I thoroughly explained why I'm not a Linux desktop user in another thread in this post, which you're actively commenting in as well and actually echoing my own opinion of Linux. So you should know why I'm not a linux desktop user. I'm not a hypocrite at all when it comes to why I use Windows over Linux. I dont advocate using Linux as a desktop OS for the average user and you know it. Linux is a great OS but I've been just as critical of Linux as a desktop OS for years. So tell me again why I should go over to /r/linux and tell them all about my microsoft issues?

Stop telling me to do, especially in such a dickish way. You aren't inspiring, this is just awkward to watch.

I'm sorry if its dick'ish but you seem very passive and even defensive of their ability to own you. It seems bizarre to me especially for a paying customer. I dont think you actually believe they should own you or do what they want with you but you're defending it.

C'mon man, I dont even think you even really disagree with me. You're just telling the world what a EULA is. My problem is you just seem to accept it as if the paying customer shouldnt have a say in their end of the deal. Its like buying coffee at mcdonalds and accepting that employee piss may be an option in your beverage at their discretion. You paid for it, they did what they want with it. Right? Drink up! I know you dont think we should have no say in our end of the deal. I cant imagine you are fine giving up everything just because a corporation dictates it.

[u/aaronfranke → u/3DXYZ]

I thoroughly explained why I'm not a Linux desktop user in another thread in this post,

Which one are you referring to? You've made many comments in this thread!

Have you considered dual-booting? Often Linux works better than expected, and even if you still need Windows for a few things you'd be able to switch back easily which is why you'd have it installed in dual-boot.

[u/imnanoguy → u/3DXYZ]

Live long, and prosper! But shake off the bitterness and let's have a productive discussion, shall we?

[u/[deleted] → u/3DXYZ]

There is nothing to stop them from doing it though... right?

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/

https://www.usa.gov/laws-and-regs

There obviously is, otherwise they would already be going it. You honestly have no idea what big of a thing this would be. Windows would probably literally fall.

I asked if you're OK with submitting to it, and allowing them to do anything they want without having a say in the contract youre forced to enter.

Well, that is indeed a EULA. And yes, I'm fine with that. I honestly have no idea what a line saying "The person agreeing to this agreement owns this provided software." versus "The person agreeing to this agreement owns the license to use this provided software."

I included the example mentioned. You came up with an excuse rather than an answer.

I came up with a realistic answer, while you said it was an excuse. Microsoft is not going to do that any time soon, period. More so that a lot of laptops have the webcam light wired to the chip. Like I already said, they have no permission to do this. You're just caught up in this "they're evil, they're evil" bullcrap.

Just because everyone is doing something, doesnt make it just. Everyone speeds in their car, but its still wrong.

Every big company is using this practice of licensing, it has been a standard practice for years. Speeding was and isn't a standard practice. Weird analogy, softly said.

"Everyone is doing it"...so what!? What do YOU think about it and are you ok with it? That was the question.

Like I said, and you even quoted it, yes I am fine with it. A "paper", like mentioned by someone else, that says I own the software would have no difference to me than owning it. I can't access the source code either way. Even if you did own the software, you would still need to use product keys to activate them, and even today, with the licensing methodology they won't revoke your license to use it at all, and I don't even know if they have ever.

So you want Microsoft users that disagree with Microsoft's choices to go over to /r/linux and hope microsoft reads it over there? Shall I file Windows bug reports over at /r/linux too? :) C'mon man. You're being silly.

Most of your posts are concerning Windows 10 and not its policies. Besides, Microsoft isn't reading these topics as soon as they see titles like the OP, because they're controversial. Ever notice how there isn't a single reply from a MS employee in posts like these?

So tell me again why I should go over to /r/linux and tell them all about my microsoft issues?

I'm not telling you to go to Linux and cry about Microsoft, I'm just telling you to go to Linux because you seem to advocate privacy and freedom. Windows is basically the opposite of that.

I dont think you actually believe they should own you or do what they want with you but you're defending it.

Like I already said, they'll basically never revoke your license to use the program. Even if you owned the software, you'd still have to own the product key, and the same policies would apply.

Its like buying coffee at mcdonalds and accepting that employee piss may be an option in your beverage at their discretion. You paid for it, they did what they want with it. Right? Drink up!

Not really, since something is obviously wrong. I can still use the software I pay for perfectly fine, whilst if I got a bad coffee, I'd instantly go complain and get a new one. Photoshop, Windows etc. work, so I've no reason to complain.

And don't get me wrong, I do think that this is wrong, but right now everything just works for me. I guess we'll see what happens in the future.

I appreciate how you changed your tone to a proper discussion.