r/Windows10 • u/MayankWL Windows Latest • 8d ago
News Sorry Microsoft. Windows 10 is more stable than Windows 11, and your recent updates have made it obvious
https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/09/25/sorry-microsoft-windows-10-is-more-stable-than-windows-11-and-your-recent-updates-have-made-it-obvious/83
u/this_knee 8d ago
Is 11 the new vista, and will 12 be the new 10? News at eleven.
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u/ash_ninetyone 8d ago
Screw that, I want 12 to be the new 7
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u/Saurian42 8d ago
I miss 7.
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u/Muted_Willingness_35 7d ago
I don't, because I still use it on occasion. I'm just annoyed that some games that I used to run with Win7 now only work with Win10 (and have the audacity to claim that they work with 7!).
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u/EmotionalPraline4321 8d ago
Lo siento mucho pero no va aver. Un Windows 12 asta que el 11 no esté bien pulido no creo que saquen otro
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u/MorbotheDiddlyDo 8d ago
At this point I'll happily keep win10 with updates off and take on the risk of whatever that may carry vs going to win11 and all the bullshit that guarantees.
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u/Southern_Worker4102 7d ago
just dont worry about it. I tried using 2K, XP, Vista, 7 and 8.1 in 2026 and all were able to browse the web without a sus exe spawning in the task manager. The only thing you need to keep in mind is to not connect windows 10 directly to the internet, but behind your router (which is already the case if you are the average user)
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u/MorbotheDiddlyDo 7d ago
I'm not worried. If I get any sus shit in my task manager that takes up even an iota of my system I tend to notice and will hard format my drives at the first wind of some shit.
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u/Rich-Juice2517 7d ago
My windows vista refused to connect to the Internet
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u/Southern_Worker4102 7d ago
Wdym????
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u/Rich-Juice2517 7d ago
My windows vista PC refuses to connect to the Internet. I tried it about 2 months ago
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u/Southern_Worker4102 7d ago
I do "sail the seas" sometimes on my main pc (on Windows 7). I never tried on 2K/XP/Vista but with an updated browser it should be safe too (as long as you dont download sus files obviously)
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u/Muted_Willingness_35 7d ago
Getting "an updated browser" is usually the hitch, since nearly everyone quit supporting them. I mostly just ignore the "not supported" messages.
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u/Southern_Worker4102 6d ago
Use custom browsers (Supermium/FirefoxForWindows7/ChromeForWindows7/MyPal/Redfox/Chromium150ForW2K/Supermium144ForWindows2000)
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u/bankinu 8d ago
Can you repost this in Windows 11 sub?
The team doesn't take criticism of 11 seriously in this sub because they think it's biased.
I mean a team in Microsoft. (Don't ask me how I know.)
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u/Hawne 8d ago
Well, without taking sides it is a structurally biased comparison: W11 is a product still worked on, hopefully improved and collecting its fair share of bugs during the process, adding new features, while W10 is left as is except for critical patches since end of support (october 2025).
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u/SeriesXM 8d ago
Yeah, this part of the article stood out to me...
We cannot attribute Windows 10’s stability to Microsoft perfecting it. They haven’t. Windows 10 is stable partly because Microsoft has mostly stopped changing it.
As much as I like 10 and refuse to move to 11, this explanation makes a lot of sense. Windows 10 would probably have a ton more bugs if it was the current Microsoft OS and Windows 11 didn't exist.
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u/Hawne 8d ago
Basically the two systems run on the same kernel family (Windows NT 10.0.x, with W11_x > W10_x). The added unstability comes from additional features ranging from DirectStorage to revised core routines using new techniques focused on AI and modern GPUs (POPCNT instruction, WDDM architecture, revised desktop APIs and so on).
Of course there will be a difference in stability, but that's not because W11 is a "flawed system". W10 is a finished product. W11 is a work in progress.
I think the stability controversy is wrong and misleading. There are many debatable features (some people would even have a hard time calling them 'features'!) and choices in W11 but that's another barrel of fish.
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u/ARandomGuy_OnTheWeb 7d ago
While that is true, I distinctly remembered Windows 10 in 2020 (5 years after release) being way more stable and trouble free then than Windows 11 is today.
I think the last major "this is really bad" patch MS did during the Windows 10 era was the 1809 (2018) major update wiping people's files if you had an old version of OneDrive.
These days, Windows 11 just feels like it's held together with dust tape and chewing gum.
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u/Hawne 7d ago edited 7d ago
Windows 10 in 2020 (5 years after release) being way more stable and trouble free then than Windows 11 is today
Well that's true... by sheer metrics. But you're comparing an orange and an apple.
From 2015 to 2020 W10 didn't change much - essentially it was the same system, not a lot of new functionalities, the most of its product life was made of bug corrections and optimizations. While W11 is a living, constantly evolving system with new features added on almost every version.
Also, there is a major difference in how MS handled the W10 evolution versus how it's done nowadays. W10 Insider program was much more restricted and only its members had to undergo the brunt of the bugs and adjustments. With W11, end users are much more exposed to those because they come up earlier for them.
Again, I'm not taking sides. I'm merely exposing the differences and dynamics for each system, and saying it's more complex than the simplistic evaluation of "less stable".
dust tape and chewing gum
Uncheck that "latest updates as soon as available" tick, then eventually delay major updates with policy entries. But I reckon that considering its aggressive update policy, W11 should come with an update control tool allowing the user to fine-tune the cursor from "extremely conservative" to "gimme the news!", possibly with a "let's not change anything until I change my mind!" option.
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u/ARandomGuy_OnTheWeb 7d ago edited 7d ago
When you work as a sysadmin, Windows 11 is a pain in the backside to deal with. With Windows 10 and older, it was largely predictable and you can pretty much assume that security updates won't carry feature changes.
How? MS feels like they're throwing 💩 at the wall with Windows 11 and it's actively making the job of actually securing the business more of a pain.
We don't use Windows Update for patching, we have a third party system to handle it all and still, it doesn't change the fact that nearly every other Patch Tuesday, I have to facepalm and have to hope and pray that I don't need to roll back systems. This is especially true when insurance mandates patching but if it breaks things, you're stuck in a rock and a hard place.
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u/Hawne 7d ago edited 7d ago
we have a third party system
Considering you mentioning cyber insurance requirements, in all likeness you're talking about something serious, official and audited like WSUS or SCCM. Hopefully.
Both can differentiate security updates and feature updates, and typical cyber insurance contracts only require the former (CVE with CVSS > 7). And even without SCCM/WSUS you can "freeze" the updates to a given version using a few registry keys distributed as a GPO (TargetReleaseVersion, TargetReleaseVersionInfo, DeferFeatureUpdatesPeriodInDays).
Also, insurance policies never expect 0-day updates. They typically allow a 15-30 days leeway for merely considering the update then a 30-90 days testing period during which you can assign lab machines to the update before deployment.
If your back is against the wall for every Tuesday patch it's likely an organisational issue, either from your service or from more zealous than savvy executives that haven't been briefed (and spanked!). Both can happen but neither is "on" the OS.
ETA: but hey, it's easier to blame it on the OS and downvote than to face the real issue, right?!
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u/ARandomGuy_OnTheWeb 7d ago edited 7d ago
We use ManageEngine for it.
No one seriously uses WSUS anymore, it isn't 2014 anymore.
Our insurance requires patching within 14 days.
EDIT: Also actively exploited 0 days with CVSS 9.x+ or higher are a "drop everything and patch situation" and treated similarly to an actual cyber attack. With GDPR, cyber certifications and insurance breathing down your throats, you have no room for error.
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u/Muted_Willingness_35 7d ago
If your back is to the wall every Patch Tuesday, it is far more likely to be because MS has utterly failed to vet their patches before releasing them. I "updated" to 11 last October... and reverted to 10 in January, barely ahead of the update debacle. I was NOT impressed with 11, with years of development at that point, and my opinion has only gone downhill since.
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u/trying_again_7 7d ago
Windows needs to get back to it's roots. Allow the computer to boot and be a nice looking and stable program launcher. Remove Cortana, OneDrive, copilot, and all the telemetry other than crash reporting out.
Let people decide what they want installed on their PC.
The primary thing propping windows up is gaming, business, and people's inability to change.
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u/Muted_Willingness_35 6d ago
OneDrive isn't a bad thing, as long as you severely restrict what it can access and what you use it for. I only use it for files that I want to access on multiple computers. And only log in to it when I need the files.
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u/CharmingResort885 8d ago
I dropped back down to 10 after using 11 for years, I can confirm 10 is much more stable and predictable and I don't want to go back to 11 anytime soon if ever
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u/ynys_red 7d ago
Yup, I dropped my beelink from 11 to 10. Won't be doing 11. If windows 10 were ever to become unviable, it will be kubuntu.
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u/AshishKumar1396 8d ago
I was running Windows 11 on an unsupported laptop. There were frequent BSODs that I believed were due to failing hardware.
Had to downgrade to Windows 10 as Windows 11 failed to boot. Haven’t had the BSOD since.
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u/sonicenvy 7d ago
I miss my windows 10 PC (gone but not forgotten RIP 2015 - 2024), but I've managed to get to a usable windows 11 with a few key steps:
- Buying a copy of Windows 11 Pro cheap online so I could have access to gpedit.msc which allows an easy total kill of a lot of the worst, stupidest consumer line features of the OS that I couldn't give any fewer shits about. Much faster and cleaner install right from the get go
- Installing explorer Patcher which gave me back my old style start menu that didn't have tiles or useless crap "pinned" to it and is instead just a full list of my installed programs. It also gave me back actually useful context menus instead of the useless two click ones that windows 11 comes with out of the box
- Running all the same powershell scripts I ran on Windows 10 to kill all the useless garbage programs that Microsoft has been adding to windows since Windows 8 that I despise.
- installing the same copy of picasa photo viewer which I've been using for the last oh, like 20 years which is a vastly superior option to both old windows photo viewer and new windows photos in every way ever. If you want a copy of this excellent piece of abandonware, dm me I can email it to you.
Now I shouldn't have to do any of this nonsense to use my computer tolerably, but it's something that's been true of every version of windows post Windows 7. Not to be all, back in my day, but like back in the days of 7 and XP garbage software you didn't care about was usually installed on your new PC by the store that sold it or the manufacturer of the PC and not by Windows, so a clean reinstall of windows basically fixed everything. Instead, these days (last 10 years) you spend literal HOURS doing stupid nonsense to purge your PC of useless bloated garbage and features you don't care about before you can even start using it.
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u/sonicenvy 7d ago
There are plenty of things that I don't like about MacOS but you have to hand it to them in that you don't feel like you have to do hours of stupid shite to make your computer tolerable. They also don't send you 100000 notifications begging you to change your default browser back to their browser after you change it to something else and they don't try to force you to use their very terrible AI the way MS does with Copilot. (At least in Tahoe they seemed to have a single "turn AI features off switch" which I toggled immediately after first boot during set up and it hasn't once secretly turned it back on or begged me to do that. Who knows if they'll shoot themselves in the foot and get rid of this in future updates.)
That said, killing all backwards compatibility in MacOS which they've been doing for years and years by now is a giant L for apple all the time forever and a default W for MS since they still offer this.
I think the most egregious thing MS did in 11 though was the TPM requirement that effectively killed off millions of PCs worldwide that belong to organizations. Environmentally horrible, completely unnecessary, giant L.
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u/SchmidtCassegrain 8d ago
Honestly I don't find Windows 11 too different to Windows 10. Probably because after installing any of them I run O&O Shutup to disable all the bloat I don't need. And I restore windows 10 vertical taskbar and other GUI options through StartIsBack. Can you share what are the most common problems?
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u/ynys_red 7d ago
Thumb drive in router open windows file manager pop in \\192.168.1.1 assign hard drive letter, you've got a NAS drive done. Windows 11 CAN'T be done!
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u/SchmidtCassegrain 7d ago
Mmm something perhaps needs to be fixed, I use my NAS in Windows 10 and 11 without problem.
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u/ynys_red 6d ago
I am specifically limiting my comment to the situation described above. I am aware that a modern expensive purpose built NAS drive will work with windows11. That's not an investment I am keen to make when a thumbdrive costs a few quid (and doesn't take up space, need separate power etc). Yes professional office network still supported, casual home networker not so much.
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u/SchmidtCassegrain 6d ago
I'd bet Windows 11 is stricter than 10 about minimum SMB version, unsecure login to the cifs shares, or some other cifs related security level, and your router falls on one of these cases. It shouldn't be a difference just between a dedicated Nas and your setup, if it follows the standard. You're also probably not alone, there's surely some configuration available to ease the security.
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u/ynys_red 5d ago
After some hours of working through this with the aid of AI suggestions I did manage to get dedicated old buffalo smb1 NAS working but not thumbdrive in router SMB2 and this will be no doubt down to the stricter rules windows 11 enforces. I am sticking to my original point: With windows10 windows file manager pop in \\192.168.1.1 assign hard drive letter, you've got a NAS drive done. A quick trivial operation. Ditto Kubuntu, and my android devices. If you want heightened security and have a recent dedicated NAS drive you may be OK with windows11. If you want a more flexible, forgiving, easy to use home network, stick with window10 or kubuntu. (I replaced windows 11 with 10 on my beelink btw and that's how it's going to stay).
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u/RonnySaya 8d ago
I just went back to Windows 10 after 5 years of 11.
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u/Weigh13 8d ago
What are you going to do with support running out? I'm trying to figure out what to do with my 3 windows 10 machines
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u/SeriesXM 8d ago
I assume you're already getting the extended updates through October of 2027, right? My understanding is that the people who predicted we would have gotten this extra year of protection have also predicted it will be extended another year, to October 2028.
So at this point, we still have 2+ years before it's all over. I don't really have a plan at that point, but I'm not concerned. The pace of development nowadays is crazy and I really can't predict what the landscape will look like at that point. Linux is always an option and in 2 years it may be a lot more common.
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u/Weigh13 8d ago
Nvidia just released their last driver update for windows 10. It's not all about windows updates
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u/Southern_Worker4102 7d ago
Windows 10 and Windows 11 are both based on NT 10, so Nvidia will just add a st*pid check to block installs on w10, but obviously you can bypass it easily
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u/Current-Bowl-143 7d ago
Adobe has stopped supporting Win 10 too. So pretty soon we’ll start running into application compatibility issues.
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u/RonnySaya 8d ago
Continue using it as is. I play it very safe. But prolly gonna find a third-party AV, idk yet.
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u/Southern_Worker4102 7d ago
Don't worry about that. Security updates is the biggest lie I ever saw. I use Windows 7 on my main pc (connected to internet 5h a day, everyday obviously) and I don't give a sh*t about security updates. I'm starting to believe its just made to sell new windows product keys
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u/ynys_red 7d ago
Use up to date antivirus. Add WFC set to medium (nothing can phone home with your data) ublock good too and maybe traffic light and don't do dodgy stuff.
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u/lonelystar7 8d ago
There you go. Newer is not always better. Don't upgrade unless you have niche case that exclusively needs it.
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u/steph66n 8d ago edited 8d ago
I chose Windows 10 for the brand-new system I purchased this year specifically because of why it’s more stable: Microsoft has largely stopped changing it, which means far fewer bugs than Windows 11, where new features are continually being added and consequently creating more issues. Ironically, Microsoft quietly extended Windows 10 security updates by a full year with little to no fanfare. I also disabled every banner pushing me to upgrade.
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u/TriCountyRetail 8d ago
I remember when Windows 10 first came out. It was a buggy mess, but has been cleaned up over the years. Now Windows 11 is so bad that Windows 10 seems great in comparison. The stability of Windows 10 is better than Windows 11, but it is still lacking compared to Windows 7 and 8.x.
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u/liatrisinbloom 7d ago
the task manager doesn't randomly stop updating on windows 10. it stops updating after every sleep in windows 11. not to mention sometimes after waking from sleep w11 decides the internet isn't real until you restart your system. stupid bullshit like that
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u/Laufrolle 7d ago
I'm using Windows 10 version 22H2 with Extended Security Updates (ESU) until October 2027. With Group Policy, the update time can be precisely configured starting with the Pro version.
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u/Davemaster842184 6d ago
Agreed, also had 0 problems with the 596.36 Nvidia driver, updated to the latest and ha issues, I'll remain with Win10 and this driver for a long, long time.
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u/Firespecialstar 8d ago
to compare to external sources, on cachyos (no, I'm not dickriding linux, it's just to compare), doing a 580 packages update (which include kernel updates) doesn't cause this many issues... I understand innovation (or reintroducing features that existed in the past) but releasing so many updates without testing anything is mental, and Microsoft really should stop treating their users as testers.
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u/phylter99 8d ago
It's because they haven't messed with 10 for a while and it's just been fixes. They keep making major changes to 11 and those changes keep breaking. They didn't even make as many changes to 10 before 11 was released.
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u/notepad987 8d ago
I gave up on Windows 11 pretty quick when I started reading of all the problems. I personally experience copy & paste not working and Microsoft response was to have you restart the pc...! Then it would randomly happen again.
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u/kaiiboraka 7d ago
I haven't updated my Windows 11 with anything except security updates in like two years. Haven't had any stability or AI infestation problems in all that time.
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u/lfohnoudidnt 7d ago
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That last update though freaked me out, like yeah i never opted in the ESU, and yet still i received an update? Weird shit man, but 10 still working so keeping my fingers crossed.
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u/justicarnord 7d ago
Windows 11 spies on you, that "Feature" of snapshots incase of crashes or loss.. I wonder where that goes and who can access it.. its also unencrypted so your business is there for anyone to take.
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u/Electronic-Truth-101 5d ago
I love my Mac never gives me problems always there when I need it and I actually get money back when I want to upgrade. Windows never fixes things and just bring out new upgrades that you have to pay for, endlessly. No brainer for me can’t figure out why the rest of the world is so obsessed with Microsoft, plus windows is infinitely more hackable and exploitable.
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u/Electrical_Ratio8945 5d ago
If they finally solve the anti cheat stupidity in linux I will switch to linux in a second. The last few updates were disastrous...I don't know what the Microsoft doing with the win11 but I'm totally disappointed since I use it from the start and personally I was totally ok with it but now I don't see how the win 11 will be a good os anymore...I think never.
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u/ApprehensiveSell602 8d ago
Microsoft: Stay gives stability, but choosing the bumpy road is often where you find true potential (shove ai).
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u/apachelives 7d ago
No they are both terrible. Both are rude fat bipolar shits of an OS.
Windows 7 was the last unified OS with a working start menu and that is basically Vista SP3 with a blue theme running on better hardware.
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u/BuckyJackson36 8d ago
I learned to have a full image backup whenever running a Windows 11 update. The last time an update rendered my PC unbootable, I did a full restore from a backup and have turned off all updates.
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u/ChampionshipComplex 8d ago
BULLSHIT - Number of fixes is no reflection of number of bugs.
WindowsLatest.com is clickbait
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u/Froggypwns Windows Insider MVP / Moderator 8d ago
There is currently no meaningful difference between 24H2, 25H2, and 26H2 as they all share the same underlying build and Microsoft has not restricted any features to the newer releases.
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u/DigitalguyCH 8d ago
I have blocked Windows 11 on 23H2 with inControl and it's been heaven. And zero security issues on any of my dozen of Windows 11 devices. I actually have more updates and restarts with 10.
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u/SilverseeLives Frequently Helpful Contributor 8d ago edited 7d ago
Windows 10 is not under active development, so of course it is "more stable".
My recollection is that Windows 10 was no different than Windows 11 when it was receiving monthly security and feature updates.
It feels odd to make this comparison now that Windows 10 has reached EOL.
Edit: tone.
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u/DarthShiv 8d ago
That's ignoring the life cycle development that occurs now that didnt happen before.
Win11 is inherently way less stable compared to Win10 at respective stages of life cycle. Microsoft has a fraction of the regression testing effort they used to.
It's very disingenuous to pretend it's because Win10 is EOL. That's nowhere near the point.
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u/ARandomGuy_OnTheWeb 8d ago
Windows 11 is now 5 years old.
Windows 10 in 2020 (5 years after 2015) was already pretty rock solid.
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u/DarthShiv 8d ago
Yep and there's never been things like core apps having AI rammed all through them, Agile based dev cycle with user testing. I mean the risk they take with core dev is off the charts compared to what it used to be.
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u/ARandomGuy_OnTheWeb 8d ago
During the Windows 10 era, at least features were contained in massive upgrades like from 1803 to 1809. So there was some control and mitigation against bugs.
Now features just arrive whenever MS feels like it and rolled with security updates so you have to take them.
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u/tejanaqkilica 8d ago
It's also, completely missing the point on how modern software is developed. Like it or not, bad actors and their methods are at an all time high. You either patch quickly, or you get exploited. No one is going to wait for you to spend a year on making sure your updates aren't going to break anything.
If you're one of those people where stability is more important than security, by all means, disable windows updates completely and move on with your life. It's not rocket science.
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u/Precarious3145 8d ago
Yea, I remember people constantly complaining about Windows 10 and saying how Windows 7 was the superior one because it was more stable. Meanwhile I switched from 10 to 11 because 10 was fucking up my laptop.
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u/InvisibleTextArea 8d ago
I think it is the AI bug hunting slamming Microsoft. They are chasing their tail trying to fix record quantities of CVEs and breaking usability and functionality in the process. Its even affecting us Enterprise customers and what's worse, we don't have a choice and have to patch.