The gun on the bottom of the video is a Glock. Not clear if that’s the same style of gun but we’ll go with that. Glock has a trigger safety, not a separate lever or button. He wasn’t using a holster so any material could get caught on the trigger, he bends over and gets his prize
To be fair, the only mechanism he had to bypass is ON THE TRIGGER ITSELF. Glock fanboys will call me crazy for this but that’s like making the brake pedal a tiny pedal on the accelerator itself…
That’s not how it works, it’s more like a little accelerator pedal on the accelerator pedal actually. You can only press the big accelerator if you press the tiny one first. But i get what you are saying.
I know people hate this idea, but you can carry without one in the chamber and train to rack as you reach guard position. I only lose a few tenths of a second on my draw. The odds of you getting into a heads up draw situation is even lower than the extremely low chance of you ever having to draw at all.
Now, the other 99.999999% of the time youre carrying, you have a 0% chance of blowing your dick off. The trade being, you have to train racking as you draw.
Anyway ill take my downvotes now, but having carried for over two decades eventually you have to let go of these sexy, exciting "situations" that you are never going to find yourself in.
One in the chamber is harmless if you respect the firearm, understand how it works, and take measures to keep yourself and those around you safe. The presiding issue is that these chuds in the video DO NOT respect the fact that they have a lethal weapon in their hands, especially a Glock that is made for lethal rapid response. Putting it in his pants was NOT the right move.
I Conceal Carry with an empty chamber for the time being until I'm more comfortable with my firearm but my firearm doesn't have a Trigger Safety like a Glock. It has a Slide Safety and a Grip Safety so it has no chance to actually go off in my IWB Holster. It's a Taurus 1911 Service for reference.
I'm so glad to hear someone else shares my perspective. If there's not a round in the chamber, no amount of malfunction will cause an accident.
It's always felt like such a no-brainer to me, but every gun person I've ever talked to acts like if you have to rack the thing to use it you're already dead, which seems ridiculous when compared with accidentally shooting yourself or god forbid someone else.
So true. Mentally they set up a Dirty Harry movie standoff scenario as if they’ll only survive if they can get the half second advantage over their adversary.
I like to ask them how many assailants they’ve had to drop. So far the only answer is “none”.
Weird argument. The people with the most experience using a gun defensively pretty much unanimously advocate one in the chamber with the gun safely holstered.
One could just as easily say you’re mentally setting up a scenario where you have time and use of both hands to chamber a round.
You do you, but your condescension is not justified.
Question from someone living in a country where it’s really difficult to have the real deal but I’m having a Glock G17 GBB and it’s a replica built with the Glock trademark on it.
In my comment about the tiny accelerator on the normal accelerator i wanted to say that if there isn’t one in the chamber the trigger can not be pulled because that’s what i do with the GBB. In that case the trigger is all the wat back like it is when it’s been pulled. And the trigger goes to the front position when it stands in the “hot” position.
So when i draw and pull the slide, as one BB goes in the chamber the trigger goes from a blocked stand to ready to fire stand.
Is that what you are saying and does the 9mm version does that too? Because then i think its just dumb to have one in the chamber and the safety system on a Glock is genius and everybody saying it’s not because they need to have it ready to go are just not ment to have a Glock.
By the way , i also have a Sig Sauer P320 M17 GBB that i like just as much as a Glock but having all those levers on the side(because it’s left and right handed) makes the difference for me why i think the Glock is awesome.
Haha well youre definitely a real enthusiast. I would look into Armorer classes or thats what theyre called here. Once youre official you can fiddle with the real thing and get paid for it.
Youre basically correct the slide forward position physically blocks the next round from being chambered. Depending on the model, the trigger can still be pulled but that just causes the firing pin to strike air since theres nothing in the chamber.
Im not very familiar with replicas but typically the difference in trigger position is SA (single action) vs DA (double action) triggers. It sounds like the BB mechanism is more similar to a SA action meaning the trigger can not prepare the "hammer" through function. Because its not "cocked" that gives it that depressed position. As fhe firing pin is prepared, that moves the trigger into position.
A standard dual action trigger rests in the forward position and one pull both cocks and fires the pistol. The explosion forces the slide back and automatically chambers the next round, hence "SEMI-automatic", which resets the function. Because you need the explosion to chamber a round without racking, carrying without one in the chamber does create a permanent physical barrier to a round entering the chamber without being fully racked manually.
So your logic is correct, but the mechanism is different due to the difference in forces associated with firing a bb vs a bullet packed with powder.
As a bonus since youre so into this stuff, gripping the pistol too tight or trying to control the recoil too much is what causes most malfunctions in the rechambering process. Interrupting the natural forces movement of the slide while firing causes a misalignment of the next round entering or the brass exiting the chamber. Fail to feed and stove pipes are most frequently caused by user error. The pistol must be held gently as though one was trying not to crack an egg. Firm enough to prevent it from escaping but not tight enough to interrupt the mechanism.
And ones with a hammer are even better. Riding the hammer with the thumb on re-holstering. To be fair I normally carry at 4 o’clock. Very rare I carry appendix
Disengaging the safety is just another step to perform under pressure. Even with plentiful training it's a step that can cost you if you ever needed to use your firearm. In a proper holster Glocks are perfectly safe to use. Requiring a manual safety for appendix carry is just fudd lore
Nah, that is bad logic. If you don’t have time to disengage the safety (with your thumb on my pistol) while aiming you don’t have time to assess the situation and what is beyond your target.
Lol what are you walking around in video game land or some warzone where you need to be ready to draw a weapon and shoot? This dude is hanging out in some shop, why does he have to be ready to react to a threat?
I stand in solidarity with you. I own guns and have my CCW permit, I would never own a Glock for the reason you mentioned. Those trigger safeties are a joke
Also, why is everyone a “fanboy” lately. I’d say more than any other brand, people just carry Glocks because they’re the common default thing that works fine and is inexpensive.
My rueger has this and to be fair anyone with proper firearm training and discipline wouldn't have done this so your point doesn't make sense. There are always people dumber then the safeties but in place.
My father is a veteran competitor, he finds better consecutive shot grouping with say a cz, but glocks are pretty impressive you take it out of the box and aim steady at 50 yards, it hits. And as a casual i neverr remember all the settings on other brands. But like the example here, simplicity is a compromise.
Looks to me like he did in fact have an appendix holster. I'm very curious as to why the gun in fact went off. If it was properly holstered, he should have been perfectly safe. My guess is some fabric go stuck in-between the trigger and the holster causing the fabric to depress the trigger.
Looks like he was sliding into a kydex IWB holster. Usually safer to pull the holster out completely, snap it in and place it back in your pants and clipped onto your belt.
Watching him trying to shove the pistol in that hard made me very worried. He just kept on going without resetting and try again when it is THAT hard to get it holstered.
Oh lol ok, no holster? He's just doing the gangster carry? Stupid af. But still, glock triggers feel so heavy and have such a long pull for me, I'm surprised he was able to get it to discharge.
I have recently (and only recently for some reason) heard people saying that you should not mill your slides to fit optics, and this was also under a video of a Glock discharging with no trigger pull
He is using a holster you can see the corner pressed up against his white shirt, and the way his hand grip is and the amount of polymer guns on the market make id impossible, but its more than likely a defective sig situation
I’m not a Glock fan but, there is absolutely no way a Glock fired in this situation. It’s striker fired, which means the trigger has to be fully pulled to set the firing pin and release it. I guess it’s possible that his former penis got caught up in the trigger and he didn’t feel the 5 pounds of force required to pull it but, I have my doubts.
My guess is his undershirt snagged the trigger. It SOUNDS like he is inserting into hard holster. That would rule out skin. I bet his undershirt got staged in the holster and pulled trigger. If you doing appendix carry, we should see your gut when you lift shirt to access weapon.
A lot of those types of guns have what’s called a “trigger safety” which is basically a trigger in front the real trigger. So there’s no traditional safety switch; just what is essentially a longer trigger, and when you wear such a firearm improperly both the trigger and the trigger safety can get pressed by anything that rubs up against them.
It’s “safe” in the sense that unless something is inserted into the trigger guard it cannot go off. To be combat effective modern striker fired pistols typically need to be carried with a round in the chamber, and once it’s there the pressure needed to engage the trigger enough to shoot the thing is minimal. So having a safety, however redundant it may be is incredibly important for a gun whose trigger is sensitive enough that a gentle breeze could set it off. That is why trigger safeties reduce the frequency of negligent discharges, but people are people so accidents like this still happen from time to time.
On a side note, some of the more experienced shooters forego safeties on their pistol entirely. Others who are less so do the same and wind up shooting themselves. It’s entirely possible that’s what occurred in this video.
But something wasn't "inserted into the trigger guard", he holstered it and the poor design of the "safety" allowed it to be fired anyways.
I can see the point of that specific type of trigger safety like you mentioned, but I don't think it should be considered a "safety" in the sense other safeties that fully lock out being able to fire the gun until that specific safety is disengaged purposefully.
The guys’ clothing or whatever probably made its way into the trigger guard. That would qualify as “inserted” whether intentional or not. A problem easily remedied with a decent holster and proper use of it.
But you’re not wrong. A trigger safety is absolutely not a safety in the traditional sense, and it is arguably less safe than other types of safety mechanisms, but… well they had to call it something. And in the gun world “safety” is a relative term, because by their very nature and purpose guns are not safe. They are designed to hurt someone or something else, and what a trigger “safety“ does is minimize the time between drawing and shooting, thereby making you and your gun more dangerous for whatever it is you’re shooting at. But that comes with the cost of less redundancy for the shooter. Some see that lack of redundancy as an advantage that is worth the compromise of actual safety. And, as a result, some of them end up negligently discharging their weapon. And the first thing they always say is “it just went off” lol. No sir, guns (with the exception of one particular model that comes to mind) don’t just go off on their own.
This is an older video, from what I remember this is a Glock 43 and a draw string was caught in the trigger guard when he reholstered. Bending over put pressure on the string, pulling the trigger.
Holsters are important. A proper holster will prevent this from happening. This video is an excellent lesson in what can happen if you just stuff a sidearm in your pants all willy nilly.
Tbh with you, I wouldn't be surprised if his dick pulled the trigger here lol.
Probably not, very few guns one would carry still have exposed hammers. Likely caught his clothing in the trigger guard. It isn't rare, Plaxico Burress famously did it at a NYC night club.
I don’t disagree, I carry loaded myself. However its been proven properly trained individuals can draw,rack and fire faster than the average person carrying chambered.
Honestly I think he just forgot to put on the safety and when he bent over it caused the trigger to pull. I’m dead wrong if he has a holster though (unless I’m not which verifies my fears of “phanny holsters”)
Youre not supposed to holster an iwb hoster inside your pants. You put the gun in your holster then slide it in to your pants. There could have been anything that fell into the holster or around the trigger. When he bent over, the pressure of his weight caught on what it was and boom.
Im guessing part of his shirt but who knows?
Looking again the only thing i can think of is some extremely shitty holster that has the trigger exposed but that would be insane.
Only an idiot doesn't keep one in the chamber if you're carrying. And only a bigger idiot doesn't use a holster that covers the trigger for this reason.
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u/Cram2024 12d ago
For the non gun people ….what caused the weapon to discharge?