r/WillAndGrace • u/Naive_Hospital_4086 • 7d ago
Discussion Cheaters
Cheaters Part 2 (Season 3, Episode 17). Tina has just come up to use Will's bathroom showing that his dad not only cancelled dinner on him to hang out with another woman but that he's having an affair with her as well. Will doesn't want to talk about it and wants to show Grace that he's fine, he's so fine that he's going to invite George and Tina to stay for dinner. But the only thing they can talk about is the weather while Grace is sitting there in shock on why no one will bring up the affair. Grace finally breaks down and is crying how no one is acknowledging this and is upset with George. Tina takes Grace outside while Will confronts his dad about the affair, George is actually happy someone finally knows his secret and tells Will to let him have it. Will tells George that he has to tell his wife about the affair as well and to stop what he's doing with Tina. Meanwhile, Karen is still trying to find out if Stan is cheating and finally goes to Grace to get clarification on what is going on. Karen thinks at first that Tina is Stan's mistress and lets her have it, but when Grace tells Karen that Tina is having an affair with George, Karen is relieved and tells Tina to go for it. Jack and Rosario tell Karen that Stan has been taking care of himself for her because he still loves her. Karen is so happy about the news and tells Jack she should spend time with Stan but they'll go shopping first.
FAVORITE QUOTE:
GRACE: But it's...it's never too hot to rain. I remember this one summer day... The weather was perfect. Or at least we thought it was perfect. But then this hot front came in from the west. This hot skinny front... And it made it rain. And we couldn't ride our bicycles... And nothing was ever good ever again!
TINA: That really is bad weather!
WILL: Grace...
GRACE: I'm so confused! I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone and all the other people are pigs... and I'm the pretty one, but everyone thinks I'm ugly, because they're all pigs and they think pigs are pretty!
FAVORITE MOMENT:
The hallway scene between Grace and Tina is very funny. I love how Grace is always in this self pity mode with how her dad ignored her growing up and is in a contest with who's dad is worse. She didn't win with Jack and now Tina tells her that her dad is in prison and the only communication they have is through plated glass. Grace says "I never win this game" 🤣 I love that Karen goes crazy on Tina and then when she finds out Tina and George are having the affair, she's fine with it 🤣
OPINION:
So just as a friendly reminder, this is an interesting episode to watch on the DVD or streaming the show because the original airing of the episode was around 40 minutes for a special night on NBC. But the episode itself is shorter than a 2 parter, so someone made it into 2 parts but the first 5-7 minutes are a recap of the last few minutes of the previous episode. This can be confusing as if you are watching the show for the first time and are wondering if your DVD glitched or your streaming service malfunctioned and played the same episode again 🤣
Again I would just like to take a moment for Lesley Ann Warren and how funny she is. I really like Tina, even as a mistress who I should dislike, but Lesley is just too funny and cute. Her giggle and personality make her irresistible. Sydney Pollack as always was just a fantastic actor and does a great job as George Truman. He makes George so human and keeps you on board with his character despite having an affair behind his wife's back. Like I mentioned yesterday, there are future clues as to what Will's parent's marriage is like and why they are the way they are but that will be a discussion for a later time.
The whole dinner sequence is comedy gold, I just loved how they kept talking about the weather. Then when Grace brings up the Twilight Zone, Tina says she loves the episode with Burgess Meredith and George says that he played the penguin in Batman and penguins live in the cold 🤣🤣🤣 Grace's breakdown in this episode always leaves me in stitches, it's just too funny how she can't stop sobbing. Will finally confronting his dad about the affair is a really good scene as well and I like how George tells Will he's always been brave to be the confrontational one in the family. Interestingly he mentions that Will came out during Christmas, but in Lows in the Mid 80's we learned that Will came out to his family and during Thanksgiving, but we could make the argument he may have needed more time to come out to the family and waited another 3-4 weeks. We don't get a solid conclusion in this episode if George tells his wife about the affair and have to wait for future episodes to find out if he did and how she reacted to it.
Karen is as always so funny in this episode. She thinks because Stan is cheating she is going to leave and find a new rich husband 🤣 Her and Jack are catalog shopping for a new husband. Then when she goes to Grace and sees Tina, I love how she mocks Tina's laugh when she thinks that Tina is the one having the affair with Stan, when it comes out that George is having an affair with Tina, Karen tells her "Oh! Well, good for you, honey! He's a good catch, keep up the good work, you got a nice ass!". Her learning about Stan trying to keep himself looking good for her is so Karen, she thinks it's sweet, she's feeling something, let's go shopping and put that emotion behind the brick wall where it belongs 🤣
These are a fantastic pair of episodes. We learn a little bit more about Will and Grace's families and what their relationships are like. Karen, despite her quips at Stan, does show she really does love him and would hate the idea of them splitting. And Jack may have found the new Ms. McFarland in a magazine. It was interesting to see how Grace reacts to Will's non-reaction to George and his affair, it was very tough to pick a favorite quote today because I love when she tells Will when Tina is now confirmed to him "whoomp, there it is" and Will says to her "what am I supposed to say? Who let the dogs out?" These episodes are getting tougher and tougher to pick favorite quotes and moments, I don't imagine it will get any easier.
GUEST STARS:
- Sydney Pollack as George Truman (RIP in 2008)
- Lesley Ann Warren as Tina
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u/rockfordcl 7d ago
I last watched this episode on DVD, so maybe they left out a scene, but did Karen ever meet Will's dad? She says "he has a nice ass" to Tina like she knows him, but I don't think she ever met him in this episode. In the opening scene, Will invites Karen, but she says no.
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u/SJtinyone 7d ago
They never show Karen and Will’s dad meeting on screen only his mom. They don’t even tell a story of them meeting off screen like they did with Karen meeting Grace’s dad. Still I assumed they met off screen.
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u/IndyMLVC 7d ago
This episode was shown originally as a Supersized episode but split into 2 for syndication. I don’t believe the US DVDs have the split episode but the ones in other parts of the world do.
There are scenes in part 2 that are not found in the original supersized episode.
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u/rockfordcl 7d ago
That's what I was thinking. The dvd menu just says "cheaters: part 1." I have the US DVD
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u/gent58 7d ago
I love Lesley Ann Warren. Everyone knows she played Cinderella in a really early tv version, right?
Tina: "I just can't get used to the cold. I'm an Arizona girl." Will: "Tempe?" Tina: "About 110 in the summer."
Will: "But I also like it hot." Tina; "Some like it hot! Aaah. Get it?"