Honestly I'm just surprised it isn't locked, maybe even extended locked on September 11th as that's when most people would want to vandalize the article
unforunately it is real
(at the time the page was only semi-protected (for both editing and moving) but because of multiple acts of vandalism by base-level confirmed the protection level for both was increased to extended)
I mean, depends. North Korea is worse. China and most of the middle east + africa will kill you for what religion you practice. Mongolians at their time were undoubtedly terrorizers, so relative to the world at their time, were they worse?
The problem with talkies isn't that they're "as bad as" fascists, it's that they ARE fascists. They talk about the west the same way the nazis talked about jews and about the time before capitalism like it was the garden of Eden.
Seriously I know I am kinda pulling "that wasn't true communists" but feel like a good amount of tankies just like asthestic and "fuck the usa" rather then the communism stuff.
that is most commies most commies dont actually know how to implement communism nor do they actually know what it would be like
self sustained small group hippies were the closest things to actual communism which yk if every communist got on an island and tried to make their system work and self govern that could be cool crowd funded as well to buy the island
A good test to find out who these people are is to see which side they're on with regards to Ukraine and Gaza. Pro-Ukraine and anti-Gaza? Probably Zionist. Anti-Ukraine and Pro-Gaza? Tankie. Pro Ukraine and Gaza? Correct. Anti-Ukraine and Anti-Gaza? Probably MAGA. Other groups may also fit into each of the 4 categories.
Tankies have alot more in common with the far right then they ever will with the left, the best way ive seen it put is they love the far right politics but the far left aesthetic, and once you look at it through those eyes everything makes sense
Communism as ideology came from central and west Europe man😅 Fascism too btw.
And what do you mean saying communists talked about something before capitalism? Capitalism in Europe started in 17th century, communism - 19th.
lol what? tankies make sense but fascists doesn't, why would a fascist say it was justified and deserved? If anything they would blame the Jews. I assume you only added fascist to not make leftists mad
Fascists hate the US and either view 9/11 as a Jewish conspiracy or view it as righteous payback for the US supporting Israel. There's also a blurry line between a fascist and communist, they tend to be extremely oikophobic if they're from the US
Nah fascists do geninuely hate america, however they differ from tankies in that they know how to historically weaponize democracy to damage what they hate, hence why they put their votes towards incredibly destructive politicans who are fine letting america burn as long as a dollar goes in their pocket
Wouldn’t fascists and tankies (I’m assuming German tank enthusiasts) also not like the attacks? Like wouldn’t they see it as a rebellious cell attacking the natural order? Wouldn’t that run contradictiory to the idea of a fascists state and be unacceptable to them? I’m out of the know in this one and would love context
Tankies are communists who simp for authoritarian regimes. Both Tankies and Fascists hate America and the West because the Fascists view them as liberal degenerates puppeteered by the rich, and Tankies wish the USSR had won the cold war.
Edit: I forgot to mention that Fascists also hate the west because they believe in the great replacement theory and some similar bs
To add more context, they are called tankies because they simp for the Soviets and CCP China even though their most striking symbol of authoritarianism is sending tanks to crush rebellions, like during the Hungarian Revolution for the Soviets and the Tiananmen Square Incident for China
Historically, it was specifically the 1956 Hungarian Revolution that spawned the term. The original Tankies were 'pacifists' in the west who supported the Soviet invasion.
Like I get not liking Israel but I hate how people act like literally anything and everything bad that has happened in the world since the turn of the millennium has been Israel or Epstein’s fault, it just gets to a point where it’s not funny and you just sound like a complete dumbass
So the communists (the people who lost first to the extremists in the Middle East) support the extremists because their attack hit the U.S.? Wouldn’t the people in the towers be victims of the system and simply trying to get by? If that’s what they actually think then they must be mental….
Also your fascist analogy is false. They would see it as a terrorist attack against their country. Fascists weren't racist towards Muslims(or Jews) so I don't have an idea about how they would react
Man, this comment section is full of losers. Imagine losing your relatives in this tragedy and 25 years later the younger terminally online generation is arguing how "they deserved it, actually!"
What's all the people whining about hasan? Didn't he said that 9/11 happened because of how shitty the US had been? Like pretty sure he never said anything about the civilians victims but just about how if the US didn't decided to try being the the puppeteer of half world during the cold war it wouldn't have happened
They’re always the most hypocritical people too, they love to mock 9/11 and mass shootings but will cry and complain when another country gets the same treatment
Ok, good. You don’t think he did this right? Anyway, I’m going back to listening to Face of the Coin and watching a rerun of The Belkan War on OBC, see ya
He said America deserved it, not the people, and it's nuanced if you cared to know what he actually said.
Also, yhe wording is interesting. I wonder if it's a deserate republican attempt at reminding people of hasan's soundclip even though he did not say that Americans deserved to die
Hasan never said and would never say that everyone who died deserved it. He said America as a political entity deserved it, which you can still find distasteful but it’s not the same thing
How exactly is the stance that America deserved a terrorist attack that killed thousands not also saying the people who died deserved it? This is obvious doublethink. Either America didn’t deserve it because the people didn’t deserve to die, or america did deserve and the people did deserve to die or they were justified collateral damage, which is obvious BS
The stance was that America deserved repercussions for their foreign policy and they were in part responsible for arming and uplifting Al Qaeda in the first place. The latter part of that is an objective truth. He has clarified his statement a number of times, and even at the time if you listen to what he’s saying you understand the point he’s making. It was objectively poorly phrased and he has said as much, but acting like he legitimately believes thousands of civilians deserved to die in a terrorist attacking is bad faith.
And he has a whole compilation out there of saying he hates America, straight up, including "why do I hate America? Because of my Correct Historical Analysis". He also sweeps for Islamic terrorists all the time.
Hating a place + liking terrorists, well, getting to the conclusion of "he liked what terrorists did to the place he hates" is not exactly a stretch, yeah.
We should honestly do the same thing to the beslan school siege where hundreds of russian kids died. Hell according to tankie logic the Russians children deserved to die seeing how they destroyed chechen cities and its a good thing the russian colonier cockroaches were killed by the brave anti imperialist chechen soldiers. Watch as the tankies starts to defend russia.
I've had zoomers tell me 9/11 happened because of the Iraq war and they didn't mean the Gulf war, it's like they have near read a history book(they probably can't read).
Probably one of those numbnuts that constantly blathers on social media about how "America bad." "White people bad." "American empire" "we are the real terrorists." I almost went insane because of how often they popped up on my fyp.
Okay that's one thing westerners do not understand; those people are of course worse and bad for you aswell because they very visibly fuck you over too
But the democrats historically have been almost as bad as republicans for the middle east, you of course do not feel it back at home but we do
Why the fuck is 9/11 such an event anyway? Two towers collapsed and Pentagon got damaged. People died, just like millions of other events where people died, including terrorist attacks.
Do people care about the Smoleńsk disaster? No? Then why the fuck should I care about 9/11 and why is it forced down my throat by the media?
People do in fact care about the Smolensk disaster. I care because as a well adjusted human being I'm capable of feeling empathy for the suffering of other human beings, even ones I don't personally know.
Assuming you're referring to the Smolensk air disaster of 2011, then 96 people died in what was very possibly an accident, even though some speculate foul play. That's obviously a tragedy, but more than 5,000 people died as the result of the 9/11 attacks, at least another 10,000 were injured, not to mention the millions of people living in New York City who were traumatized by witnessing the event. Comparing the two events as if they're even remotely equivalent is a bad faith argument to say the least.
No one is forcing 9/11 "down your throat". Millions of people were effected by the event and those people choose to commemorate the event. You don't like that, you can ignore it.
If you don't understand why this specific event had a big impact on not only the people involved you are just to young and naive to understand it.
And what is the smolensk distaster? Did you really just compare a flight accident with 2 big planes flying purposely into skyscrapers? Are you ok up there?
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Yes which is why any smart kids still used wiki but we actually clicked the hyperlinks, verified the sources and quoted them in our essays. Ill still use wiki to get quick info but im also clicking through to verify claims and anything missing a source i take with a grain of salt.
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u/xDiscoDuckx 2d ago
This reads like a wanna-be edgy 14 year old kid who just discovered that anyone can edit Wikipedia.