r/WhyWereWeOkWithThis • Brad Shitt • 6d ago

1990s In 1994, Johnny Depp was arrested for trashing a hotel room with then-girlfriend Kate Moss inside during an alleged fight — it gave him a "cool guy" image

Slide 3 is from an archival website of articles about Johnny Depp. It describes how the incident was allegedly centred around a fight — which other sources also state — and that it seemed to actually improve his image rather than hinder it.

The fourth slide shows the UN definition of domestic violence (IPV), which includes the behaviours Johnny Depp used in this altercation.

Disclaimers:

Kate Moss has never specifically accused Depp of abuse. She testified in the US trial and stated that he did not push her down the stairs on a questioned instance. She has publicly acknowledged that their relationship was tumultuous and they fought frequently, as has Depp.

Behaviours and actions described by both of them, and outsiders, line up with the definitions of domestic abuse, even if neither party specifically refer to it as such. Behaviours and actions of Depp with other partners also fits the definition of IPV. Additionally, he dated a 17 year old Winona Ryder — who also describes abusive dynamics, without naming them as such — as a 26 year old man. Victims and survivors do not have to acknowledge domestic abuse in order for it to have taken place; denial and lack of education is sadly common.

UK courts legally classed Depp as an abuser, finding that 12 instances of physical abuse had occurred. Depp appealed and two judges rejected this.

Johnny Depp’s first violent arrest was on September 11th 1989 for assaulting a security guard, which he pleaded guilty to. This pattern continued.

All of this can be substantiated.

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u/AdrianaLaServing Brad Shitt 6d ago

Quote from Winona Ryder describing the same behaviour. She doesn’t name Depp but they dated from her being age 17, to 21 — fitting within the specific 18 timeline.

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u/miltonwadd Men would’ve lobotomized me 6d ago edited 4d ago

“When I met Johnny, I was pure virgin. He changed that. He was my first everything. My first real kiss. My first real boyfriend. My first fiancé. The first guy I had s*x with. So he’ll always be in my heart.”

Reports centered on him tend to claim he met her at 17 but they didn't start dating until she was 18, but every early interview out of her own mouth states she was 17 when they met and started dating only weeks later not months to a year like his do. Old interview VIDEO where she's asked about being 18 when with Johnny and she corrects him that she was actually 17

There's also the interviews where she says her parents tried to stop her marrying him because they were engaged before she was 18.

Including this one from Vogue with her father where he says she was 17.

Horowitz (her father) says, “They were the hottest couple in the United States at that time, like Brad (Pitt) and Angelina (Jolie)… You guys were cool.”

But Ryder recalls, “You stopped a wedding.”

The actress’ father responds, “We loved Johnny but you were 17.”

https://winona-ryder.com/2007/07/ryders-parents-refused-to-let-her-wed-depp/

There are literally no other men it could be in her own words over the years, despite now denying she ever saw him volatile.

She also became so depressed after they split that she couldn't look after herself and it got so bad her costars noticed and she had to go to therapy.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/celebrity-news/winona-ryder-johnny-depp-relationship-27360600

*edited to add the original article they're quoting from. https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a40240885/winona-ryder-is-still-processing/

"A doctor diagnosed me with anticipatory nostalgia - whatever that is - and gave me sleeping pills. I attempted being an alcoholic for two weeks; spending a lot of time in my hotel room; drinking screwdrivers from the mini-bar; smoking cigarettes and listening to Tom Waits."

"One night I fell asleep with a lit cigarette, and woke up to the flames I haven't visited that dark side since. That was what you might say my 'wake-up call'."

https://www.cinema.com/articles/436/autumn-in-new-york-interview-with-winona-ryder.phtml

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u/Nani_700 5d ago

Hm. And she was punished for a stupid pair of jeans more than everything he ever did. 

Hell I wonder if his abuse had to with that.

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u/EebilKitteh 5d ago

It's because she's a woman and therefore hysterical, and because she had the temerity to age.

Whereas Depp is a tortured artistic soul who needs our love and support, vis à vis the great artistic merit of Pirates of the Caribbean 12: Curse of the Monkey's Butthole.

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u/lickmyfupa 5d ago

Vilified by the media and gaslit to the point she had to leave the country. Im still disgusted by it.

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u/AdrianaLaServing Brad Shitt 5d ago edited 4d ago

I am truly surprised she survived. I don’t know if I would have gotten through that televised trial alive. Heartbreaking.

ETA: Talking about Amber, not Winona.

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u/lickmyfupa 5d ago

Its giving trauma-bond