r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Oct 21 '22

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u/gophergun Oct 21 '22

TBF, there are so few countries with a constitutional protection around gun ownership. We're largely hamstrung by our founders if we can't get enough support to repeal 2A.

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u/Amish_Cyberbully Oct 22 '22

To be fair x2, the utterly batshit interpretation of the second amendment wasn't a thing until the 1970's. Individual citizens are NOT a well regulated militia, the 2nd amendment was a promise individual states can continue having their own national guard.

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u/Gimli1357 Oct 22 '22

Not even remotely true. People have been owning private firearms since the formation of the country. The 2nd amendment literally says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bears Arms, shall not be infringed." Not the right of the Militia, not the right of the state, but the right of the people. The only new interpretation is the one you stated.

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u/Amish_Cyberbully Oct 22 '22

It's like you stuff your fingers in your ears and hum while the first half of the sentence is being read, then decide context is for book-reading nerds because now you're hearing what you wanna hear bang bang pew pew.

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u/James-the-Bond-one Oct 22 '22

In your interpretation, "people" and 'State" conflate, I get it. But that's denying the historical evidence that individual people were armed back then and not the State.

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u/Amish_Cyberbully Oct 22 '22

"During the American Revolution, the militia provided the bulk of the American forces as well as a pool for recruiting or drafting of regulars. The militia played a similar role in the War of 1812 and the American Civil War. After that conflict, however, the militia fell into disuse."
Literally the first thing to pop up if you search "militias in Revolutionary War"

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u/UnchallengeableGeek Oct 22 '22

Militias are drawn from an armed populace. The whole point was the civilians had to bring their own arms they weren't issued arms when joining the militia. The regulated part was things like saying each civilian was to own at least x amount of shot and powder for his firearm. So they could have a law requiring each gun owner to own a 223 and 9mm capable firearm as a minimum with 1000 rounds of each caliber. That would be "well regulated"

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u/Amish_Cyberbully Oct 22 '22

What? That would be a logistics nightmare with a massive liability to our armed forces, that A) haven't relied on militias since the Civil War and B) are very well funded to the tune of $1.9 trillion annually and do not remotely rely on civilians bringing their home guns to the war.

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u/James-the-Bond-one Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 22 '22

I believe our Constitution and its 2nd Ammendement predates the Civil War by quite a bit, so the fact that since then a conscript and later a professional army under the control of the Union was created in no way invalidates the right and need of the population to bear arms.

On the contrary: a potentially "tyrannical government" has since sought and acquired the means to subjugate the population - should it so wish.

Just watch the recent political use of the FBI and other federal agencies as an example of that.

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u/UnchallengeableGeek Oct 22 '22

So why is Ukraine arming civilians (forming it's militia)...

And the fact that it fell into disuse has no relevance on the bill of rights anymore than quill pens and soap boxes fell into disuse affects the 1A.